As much as many of us would like to see something like that, China is an extremely responsible and restrained regional power and will never do anything that will plunge its region into destruction and chaos. There is no historical predecent for China to do anything of the sort, and the continuously growing power balance in favour of China means there will never be a reason for China to do so in the future either unless the Japanese actively lose their collective minds and no longer want to be a part of God's green earth.
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Its debatable if China will be capable of things like this in the future.
But there is very much historical precedent for China wiping out barbarians.
Majority of Vietnam's death are from civilians, guerrilla tactics is actually one that minimizes casualities.
The actual difference is: The objective of civilized nations is to achieve victory with the least amount of causalities, while the objective of the west/savages is to kill the most people with no regard for victory.
Western culture is intrinsically incapable of valuing human life, you can see this going back all the way to their creation mythology, where Noah actively choose to genocide humanity rather than tell others of the impending flood so they may also built arks. The founding myth of Rome is the massacre and rape of nearby tribes, the founding myth of the chosen people is the mass killing of children, something they even dedicated a holiday to. Mass killing is biologically baked into European blood.
Contrast this with Chinese creation myth where everyone worked together to build a levy to redirect the flood.
At a basic level European culture is incompatible with humanity, human civilization has a duty to permanently keep a boot on the neck of Europeans and their spawns.
plawolf
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The EU has always been an Imperialistic Dodo from its very inception. It was founded by the primary colonial imperialists powers of Europe, who invested in it all of their collective imperialistic arrogance, hubris and obstinacy.
It was designed from inception to be undemocratic, unresponsive and fundamentally resistant to change and reform to never be able to be pose a challenge to the Americans, and to forever lock in place the dominant positions of the original founders.
It has only gotten more rotten and corrupt and compromised by design since. Logic, reason and self interest/preservation means little to the EU. The elected MEPs will remain a non-functioning circus while the unelected officials actually in charge take their marching orders from Washington and their own delusions.
Prof Stephen Roach, had a long career as head of Goldman Sachs Asian division, then he grew old and returned to the United States to be a professor at an Ivy League university.
During his stint in Asia, which I think lasted around a decade, he was one of the most pro-China guys around, in that he was always positive. That was during the ChiAmerica phase of the relationship between China and the US. Obviously, that came to an end. But, back in the day, no one really knew where that was going to go, and everyone was making money, so it all positive.
That is why I cannot say anything bad or think negatively about Professor Roach, because he was a friend of China, and believe he still is.
When he wrote that article saying Hong Kong was dead, I thought he was wrong, but someone clearly was going on.
So it probably meant two things. That his friends in Hong Kong was finding it tough to live in the new environment after the CCP emerged victorious from those couple of years of Hong Kong riots. And that the white worshiping compadre class was on its way out. If they could not win in the streets, it meant they did not have the support of the people, nor the government. The government that mattered.
So in the end, the people who Prof Roach liked, they lost. End of story.
That is end of story for the Western mindset, because Hong Kong never really changed, only they put new people in charge. Hong Kong did not reinvent itself, but with the changes, sure looks like Hong Kong reinvented itself, to be even more China friendly.
So, one part of Hong Kong, clearly is dead. That is how it goes.
wuguanhui
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I'm opposed to excessive civilian casualties, even Japanese ones.
I'm satisfied with turning Japan into a Philippines.
I'm intensely opposed to first use of nuclear weapons. Even threatening to use it first is IMHO retarded.
Let's not beat around the bush.Prof Stephen Roach, had a long career as head of Goldman Sachs Asian division, then he grew old and returned to the United States to be a professor at an Ivy League university.
During his stint in Asia, which I think lasted around a decade, he was one of the most pro-China guys around, in that he was always positive. That was during the ChiAmerica phase of the relationship between China and the US. Obviously, that came to an end. But, back in the day, no one really knew where that was going to go, and everyone was making money, so it all positive.
That is why I cannot say anything bad or think negatively about Professor Roach, because he was a friend of China, and believe he still is.
When he wrote that article saying Hong Kong was dead, I thought he was wrong, but someone clearly was going on.
So it probably meant two things. That his friends in Hong Kong was finding it tough to live in the new environment after the CCP emerged victorious from those couple of years of Hong Kong riots. And that the white worshiping compadre class was on its way out. If they could not win in the streets, it meant they did not have the support of the people, nor the government. The government that mattered.
So in the end, the people who Prof Roach liked, they lost. End of story.
That is end of story for the Western mindset, because Hong Kong never really changed, only they put new people in charge. Hong Kong did not reinvent itself, but with the changes, sure looks like Hong Kong reinvented itself, to be even more China friendly.
So, one part of Hong Kong, clearly is dead. That is how it goes.
They say HK is dead because they don't control it anymore. Seeing HK succeed after the west has left is like seeing its ex get someone better. Or selling a stock and seeing it's price double after you sold it and miss out. It's just pure butthurt.
They don't say the same stuff about Malaysia, India or whatever western colony that failed to catch up after they left because they can point at it and say see those guys can't handle themselves properly. It also proves HK and Singapore grew simply coz they had loads of Chinese and has not much to do with British management skill.
It's one reason I have become very disappointed with the west because they have all these high values but we can see they can't live up to them and are just spiteful like the rest of humans.
I think China will fire from whatever fire is coming. If they hit a university in the Mainland 10 will be hit in the vassal state were the fire come from, if china industrial capacity is hit (an exercise in futility due the massive size of China) but nevertheless will inflict the same but ten times worst. China could hit the US but that could risk a nuclear war but could put pressure to the vassal states and that would put pressure in the US.
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