China IRBM/SRBM (and non-ICBM/SLBM) thread

[AndrewS]

I'd also point out the rationale for the J-36, which is air superiority to a distance of 3000-4000km.

And if you have air superiority, then you can start using bombs rather than expensive missiles.

 

[tamsen_ikard]

Remember that a Shaheed already has a 2000-2500km range when launched from a truck.
That covers pretty much all the land targets that matter.

The South is actually pretty friendly, until you reach a handful of bases located in Australia.
Looking West, China shares land borders with many countries, which are not realistic threats.




The thing is, what core interests does China have?
In these regions it is mostly about trade, not military dominance and vassals like the USA.

But let's say China does have military dominance to a distance of 2500-3000km from its borders to the Middle East. That covers all of the Persian Gulf. But what then?

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In the Middle East, we basically have a situation where there are many tribes always squabbling and fighting each other.

Then you have the religious dimension, with fanatics in charge of a Muslim Iran, Jewish Israel and Christian USA - essentially fighting over Jerusalem and Palestine as a holy land. It's not an exaggeration that they all think they are doing God's will, but remember they actually worship the same God.

So what does China gain from building a dominant military and then using it in the Middle East?

But having said that, with what China has to build anyway in terms of military capability for the Western Pacific, this can be redirected to the South and West, if really required.

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I also think that India is too big for China to dominate

All great powers try to eject other great powers out of their region and gain dominance. All great powers try to break up other great powers into pieces. That is what realism theory geopolitics is all about.

Which means China needs to get US out of not just East Asia but also All parts of Asia.

Then China needs to break India into pieces so that it is no longer a threat. Make it so distablized, weak and distracted that it is again no longer a threat. While these are long term goals, in the short term, China's goal will be to prevent small countries from becoming US and Indian vassals.

Trade is not enough to achieve these goals. What China needs is comprehensive dominance on all domains including military, economics, investments and covert ops.

 

[Wrought]

Then China needs to break India into pieces so that it is no longer a threat. Make it so distablized, weak and distracted that it is again no longer a threat.

Trying to break nuclear powers into pieces is very ill-advised. Just look at how everyone bends over backwards to keep Pakistan stable(ish).

 

[FriedRiceNSpice]

Trying to break nuclear powers into pieces is very ill-advised. Just look at how everyone bends over backwards to keep Pakistan stable(ish).

Also, in India's case, breaking down India may actually lead to multiple functional, stable, and competetive states rather than the dysfunctional mess it is now. India is a case where sum of its parts is actually greater than the whole.

 

[Nautilus]

All great powers try to eject other great powers out of their region and gain dominance. All great powers try to break up other great powers into pieces. That is what realism theory geopolitics is all about.

Which means China needs to get US out of not just East Asia but also All parts of Asia.

Then China needs to break India into pieces so that it is no longer a threat. Make it so distablized, weak and distracted that it is again no longer a threat. While these are long term goals, in the short term, China's goal will be to prevent small countries from becoming US and Indian vassals.

Trade is not enough to achieve these goals. What China needs is comprehensive dominance on all domains including military, economics, investments and covert ops.

Or... they could try to improve the world and promote cooperation and mutual growth with India. I know, I'm a dreamer.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Or... they could try to improve the world and promote cooperation and mutual growth with India. I know, I'm a dreamer.

this can only occur if India is willing to work with China.

Instead you have Modi doing exotic dancing for Epstein powers.

China would love to work with rational people. The IRBMs mentioned in this thread are for the less than rational.

 

[Kalec]

The first missile test since the end of CNY. An IRBM with ASBM or an ICBM, but most likely an IRBM.




NOTAM data:

A0760/26 NOTAMN Q) ZLHW/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/3940N10254E034 A) ZLHW B) 2603240213 C) 2603240323 E) A TEMPORARY DANGER AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY: N395524E1033146-N395600E1021607-N392448E1021539-N392600E1033313,BAC K TO START.VERTICAL LIMITS:SFC-UNL. AIRCRAFT ARE FORBIDDEN TO FLY INTO THE AREA. F) SFC G) UNL

A0761/26 NOTAMN Q) ZLHW/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/3913N09224E039 A) ZLHW B) 2603240213 C) 2603240323 E) A TEMPORARY DANGER AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY: N393253E0930633-N392243E0913529-N385325E0914159-N390134E0930931 BACK TO START.VERTICAL LIMITS:SFC-UNL. AIRCRAFT ARE FORBIDDEN TO FLY INTO THE AREA. F) SFC G) UNL

A0762/26 NOTAMN Q) ZWUQ/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/3835N08758E035 A) ZWUQ B) 2603240225 C) 2603240553 E) A TEMPORARY DANGER AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY: N390052E0882740-N385122E0872303-N380945E0872828-N384420E0883150 BACK TO START.VERTICAL LIMITS:SFC-UNL. AIRCRAFT ARE FORBIDDEN TO FLY INTO THE AREA. F) SFC G) UNL

 

[bsdnf]

Hey, Remember this? The Iranians proved that terminal dispersion can indeed be a significant threat to enemy air defense systems. You need not only Patriot missiles but also assets like the Iron Dome for intercepting slow-moving submunitions.

The Iranians only lack guided submunitions, resulting in bad lethality, but the PLA has them.

 

[TheWanderWit]

Hey, Remember this? The Iranians proved that terminal dispersion can indeed be a significant threat to enemy air defense systems. You need not only Patriot missiles but also assets like the Iron Dome for intercepting slow-moving submunitions.

The Iranians only lack guided submunitions, resulting in bad lethality, but the PLA has them.
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I remember seeing this at Zhuhai 2024 but is this even plausible or real? I'd assume its been tested given listed specs, but I don't know.

 

[Michaelsinodef]

I remember seeing this at Zhuhai 2024 but is this even plausible or real? I'd assume its been tested given listed specs, but I don't know.

Probably depends on what you mean real.

Actual tests with warheads like depicted on some ballistic / hypersonice missile?
We should assume yes.

Does the PLA actual deploy such warheads?
We don't know, can only say maybe or plausible.

Same with if they are actually offering something like it as an export.