J-35A fighter (PLAAF) + FC-31

mshrief303

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Also, It'll be hard for china to sell the weapons with countries that have great relations with the US, especially countries with US bases, but it can be managed. China sold rockets for Saudis, and china can request the aircraft to stay in a certain area focused for Chineese aircrafts.

So you still will have the problem that the US base can be used as a station to have radars always focused on the aircraft in a very close range, which will be problematic, but maybe they can use certain configuration for the outside of the fighter with EW to limit this danger.
Countries which doesn't have US bases like Egypt and Algeria, and experienced with operation non-american aircrafts, and expects their enemies to have western aircraft are the safest bet.
But still there's always risks, as for instance Egypt operate a lot of US made radars, they of course manage it in a way to limit their risks for their rafales & migs, but still that's a factor. And Egypt signed CISMOA in 2018, and that's a factor which should be examined, even so they didn't get their part of the deal - F-15s and long range A2A missiles - so most likely a lot of this agreement is just activated in a very minimal ways that make Egypt able to do what it does best: "never says no, and never say yes" and make the deal ineffective without cancelling it.
And this risks are known for china, and if want to build a network of allies you need to accept some risks, and most of this countries will not but J-35A right a way, they will buy trainers, J-10C or JF-17, they will modify their bases,...etc. all of that can managed with china to limit risks.
 
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jospence

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Also, It'll be hard for china to sell the weapons with countries that have great relations with the US, especially countries with US bases, but it can be managed. China sold rockets for Saudis, and china can request the aircraft to stay in a certain area focused for Chineese aircrafts.

So you still will have the problem that the US base can be used as a station to have radars always focused on the aircraft in a very close range, which will be problematic, but maybe they can use certain configuration for the outside of the fighter with EW to limit this danger.
Countries which doesn't have US bases like Egypt and Algeria, and experienced with operation non-american aircrafts, and expects their enemies to have western aircraft are the safest bet.
But still there's always risks, as for instance Egypt operate a lot of US made radars, they of course manage it in a way to limit their risks for their rafales & migs, but still that's a factor. And Egypt signed CISMOA in 2018, and that's a factor which should be examined, even so they didn't get their part of the deal - F-15s and long range A2A missiles - so most likely a lot of this agreement is just activated in a very minimal ways that make Egypt able to do what it does best: "never says no, and never say yes" and make the deal ineffective without cancelling it.
And this risks are known for china, and if want to build a network of allies you need to accept some risks, and most of this countries will not but J-35A right a way, they will buy trainers, J-10C or JF-17, they will modify their bases,...etc. all of that can managed with china to limit risks.
This will also start to change as the multi-polar world continues to develop and the dollar loses some of its power as the de-facto currency. This likely will take a few more decades to actually happen to an extent where US sanctions are less feared, but Trump and the consequences of the Ukraine Russia War have fundamentally changed the course of the 21st century and sealed the fate of the post Cold War US based order.

This will be too late to significantly impact J-35 exports, but it bodes well for all non-American arms exports in the future.
 

Blitzo

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200 fifth gen a year. Will this be the year F-35 production is bested???

It depends on how many J-20 family and J-35 family airframes are produced total this year -- if we assume 100 J-35/A family airframes exceeding 100 is met, that still doesn't tell us:

- how many J-20 family aircraft were built last year given the transition from 20 to 20A/S (thus we don't know how many J-20/A/S we should expect this year)
- how many J-35 family aircraft existed by the end of 2025, we also don't know how many J-35 family aircraft will be built this year to meet the "over 100" idea.

Of course, 200 5th gens produced total this year is not non-viable, but I would be cautious about throwing numbers out yet.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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200 fifth gen a year. Will this be the year F-35 production is bested???

To be fair, as I haven't seen any mentions by others conclusively pointing to a 100-unit annual production rate in the replies and quote-posts, I choose to be cautious here.

Still, achieving 100+ units in total by the end of this year is no small feat by itself, considering how Shenyang AC started the production run of the J-35 family no earlier than 2024.

Though I agree that ~100x J-20 family + ~100x J-35 family per year is certainly achievable within the next couple of years.
 
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latenlazy

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200 fifth gen a year. Will this be the year F-35 production is bested???
Ah shit did we hit stealth fighter overcapacity (Do not fear America/Taiwan/Japan now deflationary spiral will defeat the PLA).

To be fair, as I haven't seen any mentions by others conclusively pointing to a 100-unit annual production rate in the replies and quote-posts, I choose to be cautious here.

Still, achieving 100+ units in total by the end of this year is no small feat by itself, considering how Shenyang AC started the production run of the J-35 family no earlier than 2024.

Though I agree that ~100x J-20 family + ~100x J-35 family per year is certainly achievable within the next few years.
Speaking more seriously, it’s possible if production started last year the real production rate for this year is more like 70-80 assuming that projection for 100 units total by this year’s end is accurate, but I think we now can safely say if that 100 number is for real annual production is going to be well over 50 a year.
 
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Gloire_bb

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Speaking more seriously, it’s possible if production started last year the real production rate for this year is more like 70-80 assuming that projection for 100 units total by this year’s end is accurate, but I think we now can safely say if that 100 number is for real annual production is going to be well over 50 a year.
It's ultimately two branches, and for both requirement can be comparable and measured in several hundreds of units over coming <10 years.
PLANAF alone is quite likely to look at least at ~250-300, with focus of requirement being earlier (their force structure outright lacks 5th gen - training, coastal, air wings - everything) rather than later.
And PLAAF is simply larger.
 
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