China's V/STOL studies, concepts & considerations

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on an inlet design for a contra-rotating lift fan filed by the China Aerodynamics Research and Development Center.

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MC530

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If your EM Cat LHD can launch full load STOVL fighters to their maximum combat radius, (manned or unmanned) that opens up a whole new world.
如果您的 EM Cat LHD 可以将满载的 STOVL 战斗机发射到其最大作战半径(有人驾驶或无人驾驶),这将开辟一个全新的世界。

I’m sure there’s more than enough small islands in the SCS and peripheral island territories for (Senkaku,Batan, etc) which could be considered for which such a platform could be a good fit.
我确信南海和周边岛屿地区有足够多的小岛(钓鱼岛、巴丹岛等),可以考虑使用这样的平台。
A simple measurement reveals that the electromagnetic catapult rail on the LHD is similar in length to Fujian's No. 1 and No. 2 catapults. The LHD also has arresting cables.


Yes, if it's a medium-sized fighter jet without vertical takeoff and landing capabilities, like the J-35, the LHD can launch it within its maximum takeoff weight range, just like an aircraft carrier.


Gentlemen, why aren't you discussing this?

There's no doubt about the V/STOL aircraft.

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siegecrossbow

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Allegedly illustrations from a patent filed by Shenyang on a STVOL design. The forward pair of retractable lift fans produce 40% of vertical thrust, and the rear pair of swivel nozzles produce 60%.

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I can see them putting this on J-35.
 

Totoro

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Those lift fans seem way too small to provide wnough lift. F35b lift fan for example has diameter of 1.3 meters. And most of its lift comes from fast moving edges of the blades. One might have issues with just making fan turn faster as supersonic blade tips might lose efficiency.
Frankly, one would expect two fans of 1 m in diameter, each, if they are to approch the kind of lift a single 1.3 m diameter fan can produce.

Plus a flimsy, moving rotatable power axle arm feeding the fan might not be as efficient as a big, fixed axle that is built into a plane.
 

Tomboy

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tl;dr

PLAN has been looking into STOVL concept for a while now, earliest studies from the navy that they could find is something similar to X-36 but with a liftfan in the back. Later studies from 611 showed some kind of canarded aircraft, though the recent patent(by the time of post) is likely a dud because the amount of system commonality is too low.

Basic timeline is first, navy studies dating back for the past decade, then Shenyang AECC's high thrust turbofan study with a prototype completed recently, 601's tail single piece prototype for a single engined fighter with ruddervators, verification of 611's canarded proposal, 601's RC model that looked like a F-35 under going testflight, more navy studies and Shenyang AECC's liftfan. Seems like this project is meant to be a "fast and cheap" project not too unsimilar to Z-21 project.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Also, Captain mentioned a 20cm long model that is said to be 1/9 scale, so if this is somewhat representative of the actual thing it might be roughly J-35 sized.

IMO, they'll need a crazy large engine for this

Are you sure about the length of the model and/or the scale? Because a model that is 20 centimeter long in a 1/9 scale would mean that the real thing is only 180 centimeters long. Or do you mean 1/90?
 
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