00X/004 future nuclear CATOBAR carrier thread

[00CuriousObserver]

Uhh yes, but I was talking about why he chose to reference the USS JFK specifically.
I assume meant CV-67, not CVN-79 lol, given he said "former USS JFK of its day", which would make sense because CV-67 was the last conventionally powered carrier the US built, and CV-18 Fujian is of course the PLAN's first CATOBAR carrier which happens to be conventional and of a similar size class to CV-67 and the overall Kitty Hawk class.

The AI translation was a bit off. It should be "most advanced... ever built by mankind", rather than "most advanced... in the world", with CV-67 previously holding title.

 

[00CuriousObserver]

Another piece of rumour from 约克, who works in China's MIC and has some insider connections. He knew of Yankee’s earlier rumour and had been hesitant about it until now. This is from a stream on 西葛西造舰

While I was in Shanghai, I talked with partner units linked to Jiangnan Shipyard, and our aircraft carrier program is now planned through the sixth hull. It’s also confirmed that construction will proceed simultaneously in the north and the south. We won’t be relying on a single shipyard—two yards will work in parallel, one in the south and one in the north.

He said "yes" confidently when asked if the 003 would have a "sister ship", though the term should be taken a bit loosely here.

 

[Blitzo]

Another piece of rumour from 约克, who works in China's MIC and has some insider connections. He knew of Yankee’s earlier rumour and had been hesitant about it until now. This is from a stream on 西葛西造舰

While I was in Shanghai, I talked with partner units linked to Jiangnan Shipyard, and our aircraft carrier program is now planned through the sixth hull. It’s also confirmed that construction will proceed simultaneously in the north and the south. We won’t be relying on a single shipyard—two yards will work in parallel, one in the south and one in the north.

He said "yes" confidently when asked if the 003 would have a "sister ship", though the term should be taken a bit loosely here.

This is stupid, but it's been on my mind for a few years ever since the prospect of simultaneous construction was floated as a possibility down the line.

Need to get it out of my system:

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[ACuriousPLAFan]

While I was in Shanghai, I talked with partner units linked to Jiangnan Shipyard, and our aircraft carrier program is now planned through the sixth hull. It’s also confirmed that construction will proceed simultaneously in the north and the south. We won’t be relying on a single shipyard—two yards will work in parallel, one in the south and one in the north.

If only the same holds true for the construction of SSNs and SSBNs. Either way, out of topic.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

Shilao in his Guancha article:

The commissioning of Fujian marks a successful step up in China’s carrier technology and lays the groundwork for building more—and better—aircraft carriers. Thanks to its advanced technologies and sheer scale, Fujian has already surpassed the former USS John F. Kennedy of its day and is now the most advanced and most capable conventionally powered aircraft carrier in the world. Next, whether it is building an even more advanced conventionally powered carrier, adopting nuclear propulsion to achieve virtually unlimited endurance, or breaking through the “glass ceiling” of U.S.-style carrier design to enter a freer realm of carrier design—all of these will soon become new goals we can expect to see in the near future.

In one of their streams after the Fujian launch and recovery video came out Shilao talked about design studies PLAN did that were "freed" (his exact words) from the mind frame of both Soviet and US carrier designs. He had one example which was "how would we design a supercarrier if we never figured out catapult" and IIRC it was a giant 120k ton STOBAR carrier with ramps that had a deck that could launch aircraft with a runway as long as Liaoning/Shandong's rear launch point while still do recovery at the same time.

Perhaps Shilao was thinking along those lines. Something like just because Ford class is 100k tons doesn't mean that is the ideal size for CVN, there may be benefit yet to go even larger.

IMHO, there could be two ways of looking at this.

Focusing solely on the CVN supercarriers - It could mean that Chinese warship designers are anticipating/expecting any, any combination or all of the following:

- Carrier-based 6th-gen manned warplanes/fighters (J-XDT) will be considerably larger-sized than the present carrier-based fighters (J-15T, J-35), hence taking up more flight deck and hangar deck volumes; and/or
- Addition and integration of carrier-based unmanned warplanes into the carrier air wings, which would increase the number of aircrafts stationed/based onboard future CVNs; and/or
- Changes to the overall structure of carrier air wings, such as increasing the number of fighter/attack/special mission/refueling aircraft squadrons and/or increasing the individual sizes of these squadrons.

The above factors would necessitate increasing the sizes of future PLAN CVNs to beyond the bounds of present American supercarriers. However, I would rule out any out-of-logic results from this development, such as the "muh 150 thousand-ton super-duper CVN" or even "muh 200 thousand-ton super-duper-hyper CVN".

On the other hand (if not, in addition): Instead of being ship-specific as suggested above, it refers to the overall change and evolution in terms of how the PLAN higher-ups are viewing Chinese carrier fleet should develop into the future. One of the possible theories would be that instead of going for a full-CVN fleet like the USN, the PLAN could go with the dual-path option of operating both nuclear-powered CVNs and conventionally-powered CVs at the same time.

120-130k tons CVN, 100k tons CV, or even 60-70k tons dual-island CATOBAR CV.

I don't think there needs to be more than two separate tiers of proper (fleet) carriers (not counting in any hypothetical low-tier/LHD-based ideas).

 

[00CuriousObserver]

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[Deino]

Let's just say that I wouldn't be surprised if the sister ship to Fujian (if said ship really does exist) has the island superstructure which is of similar design to the mockup island superstructure seen at Huangjiahu today.

The chat screenshot was posted by @lyman2003 on Weibo. However, given his rather infamous reputation, I'd suggest a hefty amount of caution on his takes on this matter.







Unfortunately, low-quality photos are all that's available so far.

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Exactly. this is the point - and as it seems as long as this question isn't answered any further discussion is moot or speculative at best - where is this model from: Is it something official or maybe just a modeller's imagination aka a "what-if" built?

Here a clearer image of the said model:

 

[mack8]

A question for the more keen eyed, looking at the 003A alleged model, how does it compare to the 003 Fujian apart from the island with separate chimney? Does there seem to be alterations in deck layout and dimensions? Hopefully someone would make a CGI of it and put it next to 003 for comparison.

 

[Deino]

A question for the more keen eyed, looking at the 003A alleged model, how does it compare to the 003 Fujian apart from the island with separate chimney? Does there seem to be alterations in deck layout and dimensions? Hopefully someone would make a CGI of it and put it next to 003 for comparison.

But again ... as long as we don't know if it was just an ambitious modeller who took a model of the Fujian and modified the island, "any further discussion is moot or speculative at best"

 

[Aspide]

The island looks quite close to Wuhan current state.