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lcloo

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Anyone know how a 051 DDG was transported to Yinchuan to be a museum ship? Was it towed all the way up the yellow river?
Yinchuan city is located just by the Yelloow River. Type 051 is a small destroyer of only 3,670 tons displacement fully loaded. so it is far more easier to move by waterway when it is empty.

She was decommissioned on 15 November 2007 and towed to Yellow River Military Cultural Expo Park, Yinchuan to serve as a museum ship.
 

RoastGooseHKer

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Is there a threat about historical Chinese domestic firearms/artillery from 1840 to 1949? For example, any in-depth discussions about the Chinese Mannlicher 1888, Hanyang 88, Chinese copies of Mauser Gewehr 1971/1898, 6.8mm ammo, etc.?
 

Ringsword

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Is there a threat about historical Chinese domestic firearms/artillery from 1840 to 1949? For example, any in-depth discussions about the Chinese Mannlicher 1888, Hanyang 88, Chinese copies of Mauser Gewehr 1971/1898, 6.8mm ammo, etc.?
Weren't the Chinese restricted/constrained by various unequal treaties with western powers/japan in regards to having a domestic/Chinese arms industry?Not only to cripple national power but also to drain money into foreign arms?
 

RoastGooseHKer

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Weren't the Chinese restricted/constrained by various unequal treaties with western powers/japan in regards to having a domestic/Chinese arms industry?Not only to cripple national power but also to drain money into foreign arms?
Not really. China has attempted to copy western firearms and artillery since its defeat after the First Opium War, but serious efforts did not start until the Self Strengthening Movement and after the Taiping Rebellion. When General Tso (Zuo Zongtang)’s marched west to recover Xinjiang following the Dungen Rebellion, the Hunan Troops under his command were armed with Dreyse Needle Guns and their Chinese copies. Soon those Needle guns would be replaced by the Gewehr 1871. The Chinese had long imported and tried to copy German firearms, and Germany was Qing and ROC’s primary arms supplier.
 

gk1713

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Why during Sino Japan war 1937-1941, ROC troops looks like lack of artillery
Is there any non-industrialized industrial country's military has enough artillery during war time.
During the whole ww2, ROC made only 600 75mm artillery in total, even the steel had to be imported.
 

A potato

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Why during Sino Japan war 1937-1941, ROC troops looks like lack of artillery
Also the ROC army wasn't unified force. Jiang Jieshi only had the central army which was the best due to German training but then he wasted them all at the Shanghai meatgrinder for PR reasons. After that he basically did fuck all fighting and let the independent warlords and CCP take the brunt of the fighting.
 

RoastGooseHKer

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Why during Sino Japan war 1937-1941, ROC troops looks like lack of artillery
The National Revolutionary Army had 48 imported sFH18 150mm howitzers, including 24 32/L 32 calibre-barrelled one tailored for Chiang's demand of long-range artillery (15km + range). Only one of those 24 tailored ones (made by Rheinmetall) survived the war is now a museum piece in the Museum of People's Revolution in Beijing. Two other sFh18s survived the war and became educational materials in Nanjing Institute of Technology and Beijing Institute of Technology. Both had Whemacht standard shorter 30-calibre barrels (thus, 13+km range only).

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simonov

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Also the ROC army wasn't unified force. Jiang Jieshi only had the central army which was the best due to German training but then he wasted them all at the Shanghai meatgrinder for PR reasons. After that he basically did fuck all fighting and let the independent warlords and CCP take the brunt of the fighting.
Means he is more bad than Peng Dehuai in human wave?
 

A potato

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Means he is more bad than Peng Dehuai in human wave?
By a LONG shot because atleast Peng Dehuai was able to defeat a technological superior force. Also he didn't utilize human wave attacks but brilliant tactics that gives the impression of human waves attack.


To add to Jiang being worse. He didn't shit about Japan invading China until his own generals had to work with the CCP to kidnap him and force him to fight.
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A forgetten Shaanxi warlord by the name of Sun Weiru literally did far more the Jiang because he single handily prevented Chongqing from falling to Japan because he prevented the Japanese from entering Shaanxi which is the only to enter Sichuan due to mountains.
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