075 LHD thread

sunnymaxi

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What i'm still very interested in is what is the relation between 075 and 076. Is the 076 the de-facto successor or they are going to be built in parallel, and if so how many more 076s will be build to serve alongside the at least 6 075s built/building, at least in the near future?
zero evidence about next 076 unit or how many they are planning to build.. without testing and evaluation i don't think so PLAN will order further ships.

075 make sense as China's attack helicopter fleet growing and growing.
 
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4Tran

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I actually don't like that China is building so many LHDs rather than building more actual carriers. Carriers provide more utility for China in contesting the western pacific rather than LHDs which will be sitting ducks anywhere outside the first island chain, unless supported also by a carrier.

Moreover, LHDs are less useful in a Taiwan scenario and more about blue water projection of power.

A more balanced approach would be to have equal number of LHDs and carriers just like the US does.
Frankly, until the Taiwan situation is resolved, China needs LHDs more than it needs carriers. In fact, China doesn't need carriers at all because it doesn't fight expeditionary wars, and land based aircraft can hit pretty much all the targets it really wants to anyways. Carriers are a luxury for the time being, and China is in the position of having the resources to do both so it's much more of a long term investment.

The other side of it is that carriers are still a very new thing for China so it makes sense to figure out what works and why it works before going all in on any particular design. In other words, China is doing what the US should have been doing with the Ford-class.

zero evidence about next 076 unit or how many they are planning to build.. without testing and evolution i don't think so PLAN will order further ships.

075 make sense as China's attack helicopter fleet growing and growing.
I think that the 076 is largely an experimental design for figuring out whether the PLAN should go with older 075-style helicopter carriers, with new-style drone carriers, or with light carriers. There are no predecessors for this paradigm so China can't crib from someone else's homework.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Just saw this on X (unfortunately I only saved the image) but allegedly the first one of the second batch of 075 LHDs has been seen.

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Per the original poster on Bilibili, this one is alleged to be at Huangpu-Wenchong Shipyard, though I haven't manage to spot the ship on Copernicus so far (though this could also be due to poor weather and poor photograph quality).

But if the claim is accurate, then this would be the first 075 LHD built by Huangpu-Wenchong.
 
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mack8

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So this is not at Hudong, where the 075/076s have been built to date? If so makes you wonder what Hudong is cooking. Obviously probably/hopefully more 076s.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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So this is not at Hudong, where the 075/076s have been built to date? If so makes you wonder what Hudong is cooking.

Well, as of yet, we haven't manage to visually identify and confirm the presence of a new 075 LHD under construction at Huangpu-Wenchong.

Still, that aside - I wouldn't necessarily say that Hudong-Zhonghua is actually "cooking" anything. If this news is true, then this is more of a major positive development in China's military shipbuilding, where not only one, but two separate shipyards are capable of building and servicing LHD-type warships (and potentially LPD-type warships, if such need arises in the future). This would relieve pressure on Hudong-Zhonghua, while ensuring that both shipyards still have steady income streams from continuous commercial shipbuilding activities.

(Speaking of Hudong-Zhonghua: As of today, there is one LNG carrier under construction in the larger drydock, with the hull assembly of an unidentified ship ongoing in the smaller drydock.)
 
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mack8

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How big is the smaller Hudong drydock? My understanding is that the bigger one is large enough to build a carrier in it. How many and the lengths of the largest drydocks in the main chinese shipyards is a subject i'm greatly interested in (i was looking specifically for those big enough to accomodate a carrier). Is there a source somewhere compiling this info? I did have a look on the www and from memory it seems there is at least two each at Jiangnan and Dalian, at least one at Dalian Dagushan, and at least one at Hudong. Plus iirc there is a 650 meters one building at Hudong, but i don't think it's ready yet. Also, if i'm not mistaken Hudong and Jiangnan fused together recently.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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How big is the smaller Hudong drydock? My understanding is that the bigger one is large enough to build a carrier in it.

The smaller drydock at Hudong-Zhonghua measures ~340 meters long and ~48 meters wide.

How many and the lengths of the largest drydocks in the main chinese shipyards is a subject i'm greatly interested in (i was looking specifically for those big enough to accomodate a carrier). Is there a source somewhere compiling this info? I did have a look on the www and from memory it seems there is at least two each at Jiangnan and Dalian, at least one at Dalian Dagushan, and at least one at Hudong.

The number is 50+, per the Office of Naval Intelligence of the United States Navy.

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However, it MUST be noted that the phrase "physically accommodate" definitely should not be taken as being equivalent to the aforementioned drydocks being capable of building, servicing and repairing aircraft carriers (of which only a few of them do).

Plus iirc there is a 650 meters one building at Hudong, but i don't think it's ready yet. Also, if i'm not mistaken Hudong and Jiangnan fused together recently.

Says who?
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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On the last part, didn't Hudong relocated to Changxing, literally across the fence from Jiangnan? I was going by this.
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Yes, Hudong-Zhonghua did move its shipyard to Changxing Island, and is located directly east of Jiangnan.

However, this is not the same as Hudong-Zhonghua and Jiangnan being "fused together" (of which the more proper term would be "merger"). Both Jiangnan and Hudong-Zhonghua remained as distinct subsidiaries of the CSSC.
 
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