Chinese military exports to other countries

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AndrewS

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gelgoog said:
They are offering the Su-57E with 177S engine at the time Su-57M with AL-51 is about to come out. They aren't dumb.

Russia has made a lot of whole new weapon systems since the Soviet collapse. Su-57, Yak-130, S-350, Buk-M3, Pantsir, Project 22350, 20380/5, 955A, 885M, Iskander, Kinzhal, Zircon, etc.
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The problem is that whilst Russia can develop new weapons systems, they don't have the money available to buy them in reasonable quantities, so rely on exports. In addition, Russian military exports also have to compete with China products.

For example, aside from India as a potential Su-57 customer, everyone else is more likely to choose the F-35AE as a 5th gen stealth fighter because it is likely cheaper, better, has more technology transfer and also faces less political resistance from US strong-arming. So Su-57 production is stuck at minimum levels.

Arguably spending money to develop lots of new systems, but then not having the money to produce significant quantities is "dumb"

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Remember that Russia is literally 10x smaller than China in terms of population and GDP.
The manufacturing disparity is even greater.

So I think the Russians need to be far more strategic as to what they spend their money on.
 
siegecrossbow

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K M said:
It is the credibility of chief members of this forum that is in tatters. The F-35 concept and its doppelgangers that are sprouting like mushrooms nowadays are not modern in the least but ripped straight from the nineties. It is a mathematical fact.
Ladies, I am truly sorry that mentioning obvious cases of compulsive kleptomania makes some of you red in the face and combative for some reason.

The Su-33 clone with the Su-35 cloned radome flying from aboard the Varyag clone staffed by US Navy color-coded clones, gesturing in an overly synchronized K-pop fashion like they're acting in Tam Gwizhe Top Clone movie and urging everyone to shake their hands happily for the camera on command and stop noticing too many coincidences so remarkably concentrated in a single place. It is all convergent evolution and purely indigenous design choices by domestic genuises they say.

Whenever the highly respected Ma Jack businessmen crawl all over a Soviet prototype in Saki or a Lockheed brochure from 1990 another cultural and technical revolution occurs shortly thereafter.

The United States et al. have taken note and will start shopping for whatever they need openly and unapologetically. I am sure the Ma Jacks of the world would understand, being seasoned innovators themselves, and won't come with corporate lawyers making a scene and crying about such trivial things as integrity or legality which they trampled underfoot for years with a crooked smile when it suited them.


Whenever I go to a military forum to banter with the lads, the last experts I wish to meet are Reddit dykes, thank you very much.
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Ma Jack will never resort to paying North Korean grunts exorbitant fees to fight on the frontline either. Not only is base pay higher but if a North Korean soldier dies they get much higher death gratuity too. Literally a case of Korean lives worth more lmfao.
 
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Salvationist

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How viable would it be for China to pump stuff from high tech military equipment like J35s to small arms like QBZs to as many American unfriendly countries worldwide? Id imagine giving the J35 to Venezuela in exchange for oil would cause massive chaos in the Pentagon, along with sanctions too. You also can't trust many of these third world countries to not use Chinese equipment for war crimes which would be a PR disaster.

I do suppose when world tensions are higher, having countries like Iran and Venezuela being fully armed would present serious danger to any NATO country that is not the United States.
 
Wrought

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Salvationist said:
How viable would it be for China to pump stuff from high tech military equipment like J35s to small arms like QBZs to as many American unfriendly countries worldwide? Id imagine giving the J35 to Venezuela in exchange for oil would cause massive chaos in the Pentagon, along with sanctions too. You also can't trust many of these third world countries to not use Chinese equipment for war crimes which would be a PR disaster.

I do suppose when world tensions are higher, having countries like Iran and Venezuela being fully armed would present serious danger to any NATO country that is not the United States.
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That was basically the Soviet strategy during the Cold War. It didn't work.
 
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no_name

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Salvationist said:
How viable would it be for China to pump stuff from high tech military equipment like J35s to small arms like QBZs to as many American unfriendly countries worldwide? Id imagine giving the J35 to Venezuela in exchange for oil would cause massive chaos in the Pentagon, along with sanctions too. You also can't trust many of these third world countries to not use Chinese equipment for war crimes which would be a PR disaster.

I do suppose when world tensions are higher, having countries like Iran and Venezuela being fully armed would present serious danger to any NATO country that is not the United States.
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China is not doing it like US and USSR did in cold war where countries can expect to get goodies just by choosing sides. They need to actually put stakes in first to receive anything.

Small countries: Maybe I can play US and China and get something good from both.
China: Well, after many late nights at Pentagon this year Uncle Sam seem less and less appetized for a showdown with me, but Trump would like to go around and pick up whatever scraps he can, so I dunno what you are so happy about...

During the recent tension offshore Venezuela China did send a electronic surveillance ship. Who knows if Venezuela will get some kind of missiles magically appearing in the Jungles if Trump decides to bomb her? You see the missiles by themselves without necessary means of guidance are useless, but what is to say the spy ship can't provide help in that respect? And the spy ship is unarmed and does not need to do anything noticeably hostile.
 
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