Chinese Soft Power and Media Discussion and Updates

FairAndUnbiased

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For your final post: The things that actually promote a countries image is solely from economic development, a so called hard power. When you are rich, you can do no wrong. Anything you do is automatically correct and cool. Pretending otherwise is naiive.
Correct. Does Germany have pop culture? I can't name a single German musician that wasn't from Prussian days or earlier, a single German movie more recent than the mustache man days or a single German video game. Germans themselves have a reputation for being sour and difficult. Yet Germany has a positive impression in most of the world.

Same with alot of European countries. They watch 99% Hollywood, listen to English music, don't have their own video games, etc and yet are said to have strong soft power. Why? Simply because they have money. Broken infrastructure that dates to barely after WW2? Historical charm.
 

Maikeru

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Correct. Does Germany have pop culture? I can't name a single German musician that wasn't from Prussian days or earlier, a single German movie more recent than the mustache man days or a single German video game. Germans themselves have a reputation for being sour and difficult. Yet Germany has a positive impression in most of the world.

Same with alot of European countries. They watch 99% Hollywood, listen to English music, don't have their own video games, etc and yet are said to have strong soft power. Why? Simply because they have money. Broken infrastructure that dates to barely after WW2? Historical charm.
Singers - Nina (99 Luftballoons), Skorpion, Rammstein, Kraftwerk.

Movies: Das Boot, Downfall, Run Lola Run.

Just off the top of my head. Dunno about video games.
 

BlackWindMnt

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Wolfenstein wasn’t German?
Nope wolfenstein was made by Id software.
Bro just leaves out the world famous german artist Scooter.

But big pop artist from europe kind of stopped around mid 2010s, I can't really name a big European or UK pop artist from the 2020s, its all American artists. Probably why my playlists is still mostly 2000s rock and 2010s edm.
 

siegecrossbow

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Nope wolfenstein was made by Id software.
Bro just leaves out the world famous german artist Scooter.

But big pop artist from europe kind of stopped around mid 2010s, I can't really name a big European or UK pop artist from the 2020s, it’s all American artists. Probably why my playlists is still mostly 2000s rock and 2010s edm.

I was being sarcastic. Obviously post WWII Germany wasn’t gonna make a game filled with swastikas and nazis.
 

FriedButter

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More details about the Tiktok deal, from the Chinese perspective. Tracks with previous explanation, that Americans are getting corporate control while Chinese keep operational control.

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Wouldn’t it be the opposite? China has corporate control while the US has operational control. The USDS TikTok runs the day to day operations but Bytedance runs the commercial/corporate activities.

The TikTok US Data Security Company joint venture will be entrusted and authorized to manage U.S. user data storage and security, content safety assurance, software review and approval for release, as well as related local operations in the United States. External investors will be introduced, and they will hold the majority of shares and board seats, while ByteDance will retain its position as the single largest shareholder
Byte TikTok US Company,” to operate business and other related activities (such as e-commerce, advertising for brands, and cross-border commercial activities). It is important to stress that “Byte TikTok US Company” remains 100% owned by ByteDance through its global TikTok subsidiary—this arrangement has not changed.
 

Wrought

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Wouldn’t it be the opposite? China has corporate control while the US has operational control. The USDS TikTok runs the day to day operations but Bytedance runs the commercial/corporate activities.

No, USDS Tiktok is literally just Bytedance engineers under a different label. The board is being restructured with a US majority, but it's not like they are firing everyone and restaffing from zero. So US investors get shares and profits and so on, but the actual people running the boring everyday details remain Chinese.
 

TPenglake

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you are actually admitting he is correct though, when I think we should factually reject his assertions. Korea has less incoming tourists than Vietnam and Malaysia let alone China and all of Kpop makes comparable money to just Mihoyo alone. I don't even want to compare Korean box office to Chinese, it's a total mismatch (in China's favor).

What is the purpose of soft power?

1. To get tourists to spend money in your country.
2. To make direct money from media sales.
3. To get others to sacrifice for you for free.

South Korea fails at all 3:

1. It has less tourists than even Vietnam and Malaysia which have 0 media exports
2. It makes less money from media sales like movies and games than "uncool" "lame" China.
3. There is no country in the world that would fight for Korean ideology because WTF even is Korean ideology?
I didn't delve deaper into this, since my post was already long as hell. But one would think with so called Korean culture going global, Koreans wouldn't be so insecure and antsy about protecting their traditional culture, and yet they are. As to why, just ask yourself after roughly 10 years of Korean pop culture being mainstream globally, what traditional Korean culture are people familiar with outside of Korean food?

Most Westeners don't have any interest exploring traditional Korean religion and philosophy to the extent with Japanese Shinto and Zen. Interest in learning about Korean history is minimal. Even Kpop stans don't sport traditional Korean clothing or clothing with Korean motifs to the same extent Weebs do with traditional Japanese clothes.

I don't listen to Kpop, but I did watch Kpop Demon Hunters and if that movie is in anyway accurate to Kpop outside of the English lyrics, then my impression is that its not even Koreanized intrepretations of foreign culture ala Chinese gacha games. It literally is American R&B with a Korean coat of paint. Likewise for Kdrama, they of course come in all varities, but international fans only watch the glossy romance ones where the main characters are chaebols and models, ie. total fantasies that that don't shed any light into Korean culture or society. And movies like Parasite only reveal the dark side of Korean society.

Its one thing to get people to find your media entertaining, its another to make your society look attractive. As you said yourself many people still find European society attractive even if hardly anybody watches European movies. America and Japan are the only countries that do both, whereas Korea excels in getting people to watch their stuff but fail to make their society attractive.

Sidenote: I'm not in anyway a fan of Japanese culture either, I just acknowledge that in terms of soft power they're the country for China to beat right now and its useful to take notes on what they did right outside of the help they got from America.
 
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