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[FairAndUnbiased]

alienate what?

If US keep fking itself up, there is no reason China shouldn't wait for a good opportunity to take aim at russia, plus it would not be a unpopular move within or externally. I am also not saying to be dumb and impatient with it, I said to wait for their massive decline and the disparity to widen to huge proportions. It might be in the very distant future, but their crimes should never be forgotten and they should be dealt with regardless when it happens.


Literally what I said then, which is wait for their decline.

China always played the long game, there are even past dynasties that manage to finally gain back losses after over 600 years of wait. This should not be any different but of course be smart about it and don't lose it again.


If you have to ask that then my message clearly does not involve or applies to you.


As they fking should. Am I supposed to be happy about that??!!
How many territories are they gonna steal and invade from us? Countless million km^2 of lands invaded, countless number of unequal treaties signed in massive favour of colonial powers, countless massacres of native chinese population and countless efforts of settler colonialism and genocide, and I should be happy that those people from moscow didn't swallow the whole of China up??? what kind of sick comment is this?

Also, what the fk do u mean

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??? everywhere in China would be populated if it wasn't invaded and had their native population killed off!!! And russia is actually the one that had to force people to move to the far east lands that they stole from china, so if you are trying to imply that unpopulated areas are ok to be taken away then russia need to look at itself first. If you didn't bother to read my previous comment that already addressed all these points, then at least be logical. (Not to mention they are not even satisfied after all that, they literally still fought for Zhen Bao island and Heixiazi island in modern times which is absolutely shameless. P.S. if I hear "uh muh dAmanSkY iSland" from a clueless russian one more time I would fking explode).

^ these type of play with definitions like talking about being "populated" when clearly they already invaded and genocided all the native chinese people there is the typical russian style of bad-faith arguments that I also addressed in my first comment. And I'm really sick of it. The worst part is these are all just deflections, population have nothing to do with the principles of sovereignty in the first place, if you have to deflect about the population, it just further proved that you have no grounds on the sovereignty and your plan is really to just annexing the area first, commit settler colonialism by killing off local population and then claim it belongs to you using your faux "population" argument - which I already said, a typical russian tactic that exist even today.

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Imagine being so brutal that some chinese are even willing to die for the disgusting japanese invaders. It was truly the darkest period of humanity where you have really no options. When you are weak, you will be massacred and exploited by everyone.

If russia are so kind like you are trying to suggest they should not invade an inch of our lands in the first place, balkanise our lands into separate independent state or doing separatist shit like invading and funding terrorism movements in sinkiang, let alone still shamelessly fighting for some border islands after all disgusting shit they had done to us since 1820s what is now known as the century of humiliation.


Oh right, if we get back our rightful outer-manchuria and all the north-western steppes back, those defensive lines and rivers will suddenly all disappear. And I, as logical person, would rather just have a defensive line than having a bigger combo of defensive lines + addition lands that belongs to me. Wow what a genius strategy.

Thats the most BS cope I've ever heard in my life. And also, it's not just about "some taigas", it's also about principles and to get back on equal footing and righting all the wrongs.

So you want China to suicide itself against Russian nukes or spend trillions to win a war of attrition for empty taiga while still being called a backstabber and losing credibility for going back on signed treaties that China didn't even do with Britain.

Meanwhile even the loss of a single US soldier's toenail would bring nuclear WW3 because of US rage and didn't they hand out a few scholarships 100 years ago? We should let US get away with everything, give up all markets, give up Taiwan, let Japan do whatever it wants, watch only CNN and Hollywood, accept every insult, humiliate ourselves, etc.

 

[Expert1324]

I'd ask how the weather in Langley is but that's been DOGE'd out of existence. Now it's trash-tier trolls who can't count to four from bot farms in Manila and Bengaluru.

if you don't have a coherent reply to my comment or sth to add to the conversation you do not have to comment

 

[manqiangrexue]

alienate what?

If US keep fking itself up, there is no reason China shouldn't wait for a good opportunity to take aim at russia, plus it would not be a unpopular move within or externally. I am also not saying to be dumb and impatient with it, I said to wait for their massive decline and the disparity to widen to huge proportions. It might be in the very distant future, but their crimes should never be forgotten and they should be dealt with regardless when it happens.


Literally what I said then, which is wait for their decline.

China always played the long game, there are even past dynasties that manage to finally gain back losses after over 600 years of wait. This should not be any different but of course be smart about it and don't lose it again.


If you have to ask that then my message clearly does not involve or applies to you.


As they fking should. Am I supposed to be happy about that??!!
How many territories are they gonna steal and invade from us? Countless million km^2 of lands invaded, countless number of unequal treaties signed in massive favour of colonial powers, countless massacres of native chinese population and countless efforts of settler colonialism and genocide, and I should be happy that those people from moscow didn't swallow the whole of China up??? what kind of sick comment is this?

Also, what the fk do u mean

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??? everywhere in China would be populated if it wasn't invaded and had their native population killed off!!! And russia is actually the one that had to force people to move to the far east lands that they stole from china, so if you are trying to imply that unpopulated areas are ok to be taken away then russia need to look at itself first. If you didn't bother to read my previous comment that already addressed all these points, then at least be logical. (Not to mention they are not even satisfied after all that, they literally still fought for Zhen Bao island and Heixiazi island in modern times which is absolutely shameless. P.S. if I hear "uh muh dAmanSkY iSland" from a clueless russian one more time I would fking explode).

^ these type of play with definitions like talking about being "populated" when clearly they already invaded and genocided all the native chinese people there is the typical russian style of bad-faith arguments that I also addressed in my first comment. And I'm really sick of it. The worst part is these are all just deflections, population have nothing to do with the principles of sovereignty in the first place, if you have to deflect about the population, it just further proved that you have no grounds on the sovereignty and your plan is really to just annexing the area first, commit settler colonialism by killing off local population and then claim it belongs to you using your faux "population" argument - which I already said, a typical russian tactic that exist even today.

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Imagine being so brutal that some chinese are even willing to die for the disgusting japanese invaders. It was truly the darkest period of humanity where you have really no options. When you are weak, you will be massacred and exploited by everyone.

If russia are so kind like you are trying to suggest they should not invade an inch of our lands in the first place, balkanise our lands into separate independent state or doing separatist shit like invading and funding terrorism movements in sinkiang, let alone still shamelessly fighting for some border islands after all disgusting shit they had done to us since 1820s what is now known as the century of humiliation.


Oh right, if we get back our rightful outer-manchuria and all the north-western steppes back, those defensive lines and rivers will suddenly all disappear. And I, as logical person, would rather just have a defensive line than having a bigger combo of defensive lines + addition lands that belongs to me. Wow what a genius strategy.

Thats the most BS cope I've ever heard in my life. And also, it's not just about "some taigas", it's also about principles and to get back on equal footing and righting all the wrongs.

Right now, we have very good relations with Russia, and that is mainly because the US/EU keeps pushing us together. The world always finds some balance; I think it is very possible that in the long term future when the West has declined and are no longer a challenge to China, that Russia drift to their side as they do share Caucasian ancestry and Russia, being a very large and prideful power next to China, is unlikely to enjoy living in China's shadow as the junior partner. It very well may prefer a highly respectable and equal seat at the table with the EU and US in balancing China's otherwise domination. If that situation occurs, and it will be completely dependent on Russian leaders since China will never push them to be hostile, we will need a contingency plan for Russia; quite frankly, the CCP holds off many obviously mutually beneficial long term joint programs that could be developed in Siberia for this fear.

However, your opinion and comments are very very unpopular because they do not reflect the current situation, which is China and Russia against the EU, US, and some midgets. This is where we all live right now; you are in an alternate reality/timeline, which is why what you say makes no sense to most people, including myself. If we're not fully committed to the current fight and we end up losing to the West, that's gonna be a whole other conversation about the future, one in which we may have to share misery with our Russian brothers for another century or more.

 

[Expert1324]

So you want China to suicide itself against Russian nukes or spend trillions to win a war of attrition for empty taiga while still being called a backstabber and losing credibility for going back on signed treaties that China didn't even do with Britain.

It is not a suicide. I already emphasized this many times, wait for the right opportunity for as long as it takes. Be smart and patient with it and wait for the disparity with Russia to widen massively. There are also future technologies that is able to disable nukes before they even reach altitude. We should never forget what they did to us.

And what about backstab? those are unequal treaties in the first place.

And regarding Britain: besides the countless artifacts that they stole from us, what does do they still hold currently that still belonged to us? im referring to territories of course. None as far as i am aware, while Russia stole so much land from us.

Meanwhile even the loss of a single US soldier's toenail would bring nuclear WW3 because of US rage and didn't they hand out a few scholarships 100 years ago? We should let US get away with everything, give up all markets, give up Taiwan, let Japan do whatever it wants, watch only CNN and Hollywood, accept every insult, humiliate ourselves, etc.

don't quite understand what you are trying to say here about the scholarships? what does tsinghua have to do with this?

and when did i say we should let US get away with everything? our US strategy and other things are irrelevant and unaffected to what I said. At that point in time where we are comfortable to face off Russia in an all-out land recapturing, I'm sure many other problems are dealt with already. I am talking very far into the future.

 

[AndrewS]

It is not a suicide. I already emphasized this many times, wait for the right opportunity for as long as it takes. Be smart and patient with it and wait for the disparity with Russia to widen massively. There are also future technologies that is able to disable nukes before they even reach altitude. We should never forget what they did to us.

You neglect to mention that with such a goal, the US must no longer be a factor.
In other words, the US must be defeated or is irrelevant.

So that would be the primary goal in the coming years.

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Plus I think Russia would start using tactical nukes if they started to lose in a conventional China-Russia war.

So China taking empty, frozen Siberian land isn't worth it.

 

[Expert1324]

Right now, we have very good relations with Russia, and that is mainly because the US/EU keeps pushing us together. The world always finds some balance; I think it is very possible that in the long term future when the West has declined and are no longer a challenge to China, that Russia drift to their side as they do share Caucasian ancestry and Russia, being a very large and prideful power next to China, is unlikely to enjoy living in China's shadow and always being the junior partner. It very well may prefer a highly respectable and equal seat with the EU and US in balancing China's otherwise domination. If that situation occurs, and it will be completely dependent on Russian leaders since China will never push them to be hostile, we will need a contingency plan for Russia; quite frankly, the CCP holds off many obviously mutually beneficial long term joint programs that could be developed in Siberia for this fear.

I agree with your assessments, but the good relations with Russia is only surface level. Remember that Russia is one of the colonisers during the century of humiliation and committed crimes against humanity against us, why should all these crimes be forgotten? they literally still hold our lands, and so does many ex-soviet countries. Balkanised outer mongolia from us, and the original creator of ETIM terrorist movement back when they invaded sinkiang.

However, your opinion and comments are very very unpopular because they do not reflect the current situation, which is China and Russia against the EU, US, and some midgets. This is where we all live right now; you are in an alternate reality/timeline, which is why what you say makes no sense to most people, including myself. If we're not fully committed to the current fight and we end up losing to the West, that's gonna be a whole other conversation about the future, one in which we may have to share misery with our Russian brothers for another century or more.

I agree, but as I said, I am talking very far into the future. Maybe even multiple centuries even.

But the main idea here is that their crimes should never be forgotten, just like what the French and British did to us, and of course Japan. What makes them so special that their crimes should be forgotten? They took the most lands from us out of anyone.

 

[manqiangrexue]

I agree with your assessments, but the good relations with Russia is only surface level. Remember that Russia is one of the colonisers during the century of humiliation and committed crimes against humanity against us, why should all these crimes be forgotten? they literally still hold our lands, and so does many ex-soviet countries.


I agree, but as I said, I am talking very far into the future. Maybe even multiple centuries even.

But the main idea here is that their crimes should never be forgotten, just like what the French and British did to us, and of course Japan. What makes them so special that their crimes should be forgotten? They took the most lands from us out of anyone.

Fires only burn with fuel. Their crimes are not forgotten but forgiven because their moden actions are on our side. If the Japanese lower their heads to us after America's defeat, their despiccable actions must all be forgiven as well because that is the only path forward. Otherwise, we are just committing more atrocities unto live people knelt before us all to avenge people who have died a century ago. As long as there is modern repentence and actions in line with words, forgiveness for the events in history is the only way. And you should know full well that the CCP would never attack or otherwise treat with hostility any people unless they start the aggression towards us. It's not who we are and I hope it's never whom we become.

There is no need to talk about multiple centuries into the unpredicatable future. What you are saying are anachronisms for the events now.

 

[resistance]

Fires only burn with fuel. Their crimes are not forgotten but forgiven because their moden actions are on our side. If the Japanese lower their heads and become our vassals after America's defeat, their despiccable actions must all be forgiven as well because that is the only path forward. Otherwise, we are just committing more atrocities unto live people knelt before us all to avenge people who have died a century ago. As long as there is modern repentence, with actions in line with words, forgiveness is the only way. And you should know full well that the CCP would never attack or otherwise treat with hostility any people unless they start the aggressive towards us. It's not who we are and I hope it's never whom we become.

There is no need to talk about multiple centuries into the unpredicatable future. What you are saying are anachronisms for the events now.

The biggest problem that should focus is why Russia is so committed to ally with india and Vietnam to encircle china. This is not just about history, but potential threats especially when Russia head west again.

 

[Expert1324]

Mao wasn't even afraid to go to war against the USSR at the time during sino-soviet split, and especially due to the soviet land grabbing and border disputes that followed, and China wasn't even strong at that time.

I am very sure the disparity now is way better for us than before, let alone in the future. And those lost lands are not really worthless, we only say that to make ourselves feel better

 

[Jamie28]

I agree with your assessments, but the good relations with Russia is only surface level. Remember that Russia is one of the colonisers during the century of humiliation and committed crimes against humanity against us, why should all these crimes be forgotten? they literally still hold our lands, and so does many ex-soviet countries. Balkanised outer mongolia from us, and the original creator of ETIM terrorist movement back when they invaded sinkiang.


I agree, but as I said, I am talking very far into the future. Maybe even multiple centuries even.

But the main idea here is that their crimes should never be forgotten, just like what the French and British did to us, and of course Japan. What makes them so special that their crimes should be forgotten? They took the most lands from us out of anyone.

So much astroturfing, you guys at Eglin AFB must be really desperate if you need to resort to SDF to create a wedge in the sinorussian relationship.

Also I don't think a mainlander would ever use Sinkiang instead of Xinjiang.