The Kashmir conflict 2025.

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iewgnem

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N00B said:
It wasn't, actually. If it were, PAF would be flying over Delhi right now.

My take, IAF jets were vulnerable as they were focused on targeting the camps. This made the job of PAF easier. If PAF were that superior to IAF as you are making it out to be, we would have seen more IAF jets going down over the next two days. The air battle has been intense.
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Right, you put up >90 aircraft but fitted them with only A2G to attack a few camps, you had no jets on AA duty against a PAF loaded for pure AA because... did your radar gets jammed and you didn't see any PAF jets in the air? Or because most of those 90 jets were just up there for moral support? Because it was your objective all along to lose your jets?
And you fitted out Rafales, which you spent $200M each specifically for air superiority, with only A2G? lol

We didn't see more IAF jets go down over the next two days because IAF, to their credit, has a few braincells and switched to ballistic missiles and drones. I guess India learned they shouldn't play adult games when they're just a giant Yemen.

Do you remotely comprehend what just happened? India just got a demonstration that the entirity of IAF is paperweight against China, that any escalation beyond stick and shields, or any esclation with Pakistan where China starts sending more equipment, would see IAF anhiliated by Chinese BVR missiles, EW and stealth, that for all the money spent on buying Rafale or building AMCA or building a navy, at end of the day India is just another third world country that'll be bomb like one if it misbehaves.

I mean, the fact that you're even trying to cope about not losing to Pakistan should give you a clue.
 
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GiantPanda

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LCR34 said:
Have they fired R-77 during Swift Retort? Both MKIs and Bison can carry them.
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I have believe they never did. I haven't done any exhaustive research but the only stories from that period were the MKIs famously dodging and the Bison getting shot down.

The only BVR fragments found were AMRAAM. I don't think that India had ever fired a BVR missile because it never had to the ability to lock on.

A heavyweight Flanker like MKI, with the largest radar and the most hardpoints in the business, should be making the other side dodge -- it should, unless its detection and weapon systems are obsolete which is almost certainly the case is here.
 
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iewgnem said:
SPECTRA is only overhyped PR nonsense after the fact.
What we do know is the latest AN/ALQ-99 ICAP III was introduced in 2003, the continuous update over the decades was from 1970s to 2003, all can be written off by today's standards. The follow on NGJ was only introduced a few years ago in small numbers.

In practice AN/ALQ-99 series has never been used in real 21st century peer combat before, and NGJ has only been used against Houthis so also never.

They could be better than SPECTRA, they could be worse than SPECTRA, no way to know.
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They even got towable decoys (X-Guard) integrated with Spectra:

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Of course to no avail.
 
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Zichan

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Oh, ffs. If we speak purely generation - in terms of generation HQ-9 in fact is ahead of S-400.
Because HQ-9 is a fully digital system based off S-300 series, S-400 is advanced development within S-300 series.
Yes, expanded and advanced, yes, deployed components of the system(primarily interceptors) are younger, but still.

S-400 by itself is not a generation of ADF systems(while HQ-9 arguably is, and, as similar as it is to S-300, which was obviously one of the finest SAM systems to work with - it is not a 1:1 copy of 1970s Soviet tech).
Overall, both of similar conceptual age probably, and should be judged as similar(i.e. relatively old concept/architecture with rather recently updated elements).
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The version of HQ-9 Pakistan has is superior to S-300, but otherwise inferior to S-400.

We do have a video of a missile hit on Pakistan’s nuclear weapons storage facility. One would expect it to be well defended by GBAD.

There are also satellite photos indicating multiple radar sites hit by missiles. So far, I don’t see a good reason to dismiss the assesment made by the Financial Times.
 
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tamsen_ikard

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This is the first time Pakistan achieved a decisive victory against India in its entire history. 1947 war was more like a draw. In 1965 Pakistan was surprised and failed to achieve its objectives. In 1971 ofcourse they lost very badly. But this one was a clear victory for Pakistan.

They won in every front. India looks like fool now in the world. India's embarrasment is more amplified because how their media kept peddling fake news of triumph. So, it looks funny to everyone how India keeps hiding its losses with fake news. Most western reddit communities are talking about Indian military has been shown as a paper tiger that is poorly trained.

After the loss of Rafale, how Pakistan's assault forced India to ask US for mediation was the final nail in the coffin. This victory will have a huge psychological effect on Pakistani public in terms of confidence and India's fasctist Chest thumping will likely be deflated a little bit.
 
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