The Kashmir conflict 2025.

sequ

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I thought it would be nice to share the experience of the J-10C in various exercises and the reaction of pilots of various nations:

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Besides the "known unknowns" such as pilot experience and reliability of a platform, on paper comparisons are very much valid when it comes to fighter aircraft.
 

Ringsword

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It's so pathetic really. They are now pivoting to and claiming the empty booster section as a victory because they are so devoid of any Ws. Let's pretend you didn't lose 5 planes yeah? LMAO
That's what I thought-an empty husk,after wahead ring had exploded with no sensor/seeker/.propellant gone -that's not an intact missile*getting peanut shell but no peanut*
 

JayBird

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It's so pathetic really. They are now pivoting to and claiming the empty booster section as a victory because they are so devoid of any Ws. Let's pretend you didn't lose 5 planes yeah? LMAO

Don't expect Indians admitting anything but a W for themselves, I mean look at the the Galwan valley incident in the past with all the Indian POW pictures and overwhelming evidence of videos online that it was a disastrous clash for them but they still come up with all kinds of fake victory stories for India. It will be the same story here as well no matter what happen.
 

Randomuser

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Don't expect Indians admitting anything but a W for themselves, I mean look at the the Galwan valley incident in the past with all the Indian POW pictures and overwhelming evidence of videos online that it was a disastrous clash for them but they still come up with all kinds of fake victory stories for India. It will be the same story here as well no matter what happen.
One of their excuses was in that video, all those soldiers captured were actually Pakistani pretending to be Indian.

I don't even know what to say. Like how on earth did they come up with that? What is their thought process on this? Do they realize how difficult even just getting an entire unit of PK soldiers up there undetected would be? Did they not consider if that was the case, wouldn't the Indian army be the first one to call this out?

So yeah, use this as an example to see how far stuff from the Indian side will spin things.
 

aqh

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I thought it would be nice to share the experience of the J-10C in various exercises and the reaction of pilots of various nations:

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Besides the "known unknowns" such as pilot experience and reliability of a platform, on paper comparisons are very much valid when it comes to fighter aircraft.
Hope its not irrelevant but do we have any stories about the J-20 competing in international exercises and how well it did?
 

Sinnavuuty

Captain
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I thought it would be nice to share the experience of the J-10C in various exercises and the reaction of pilots of various nations:

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Besides the "known unknowns" such as pilot experience and reliability of a platform, on paper comparisons are very much valid when it comes to fighter aircraft.
The @siegecrossbow posted this before:

I've heard a lot about the competence of Pakistani pilots.
 

Lethe

Captain
In Yankee’s podcast he also stated that it is entirely possible for some kills to fall in hard to reach places and the wreckage may not be discovered in years, if ever. He gave an example of an Indian helicopter crash during the 1962 war. Indians never claimed the loss and China only found out about it after stumbling upon the remains during patrol.

This reminds me of Robert Mason's Chickenhawk, a memoir of the author's experiences as a UH-1 pilot in Vietnam:

Not long after Resler and I talked of disappearing with a Huey, a ship from the Snakes, tail number 808, took off on a foggy morning to go out to Lima with C rations and supplies, and never arrived.

The pilots called once before crossing the pass to say that the visibility was almost zero, but they could make it. By 0900 I was involved in the search. By dusk they had not been found not even a clue.

Supply sergeants throughout the battalion were keeping their fingers crossed. This was a rare opportunity to balance the property books-once and for all.

Let me explain. In the army, specific amounts of military equipment were allocated to the company supply sections. Once or twice a year, the inspectors general, agents from the brass, came through to check that all property was in the supply depot or properly accounted for. If it wasn’t, mountains of paperwork had to be done, including explanations by the commander and the supply officer. Searches were made. That was the formal army system.

The informal army supply system worked around such rules. The supply officers simply traded excesses back and forth to cover their asses, and the IGs never knew. Unless, of course, they had once been supply officers.

[....]

Declaring the ship missing started paper gears working all over the battalion. One of the questions the supply people loved to hear was ‘Did you have anything aboard the missing helicopter?’

‘Well, now that you mention it, I did have six entrenching tools on that ship. Plus some web belts – seven web belts, to be exact – three insulated food containers, four first-aid kits, twenty-four flashlights,’ and so on.
When all the reports were tallied, I was told by Captain Gillette, it came to a total of five tons of assorted army gear – about five times what we normally carried.

‘One hell of a helicopter, don’cha think?’ said Gillette.
‘Maybe that’s why it went down,’ Gary said. ‘Slightly over-loaded. By eight thousand pounds, I’d say.’
‘Yep. We’ll never see another like that one.’

It's a fantastic book, funny and sad in equal measure. Highly recommended.
 
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