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[Randomuser]

India won't do anything that is too escalatory. you know when you touch something and it burns your finger you instinctively avoid touching it in the future. when some one tries to punch you and you punch him back 10 times stronger in the future he will instinctively avoid conflict with you.

India already tried striking Pakistan during the Balakot thing and India got spanked and humiliated. India will not repeat that and risk another Abhinandan incident.

For almost every country this is true. Dunno bout India though.

I saw a post on Weibo. One of the reason India is so big headed is because with regards to South Asia, it has largely managed to get it's way. Usually involving force and coercion. The only thing that it certainly has not succeeded in is stuff that directly involved China. Sure it might have some setbacks like with Pakistan but overall it has managed to get control of the subcontinent. It's neighbours just don't have the strength to fight back.

However as what the AI had gathered, India has had a lot of losses in recent times. Part of this is because China has enough money and weapons to give India's neighbours. But the other reason is because India overreached and those actions are coming back to bite it in the ass. Look how all it's neighbors hate it now. That's really India's fault there not China.

So I guess we shall see where this goes. I hope no nukes.

 

[mossen]

India may have won wars against Pakistan, but their last kerfuffle in 2019 largely went Pakistan's way. India not only got a bloodied nose, it massive fumbled its response and even got a pilot shot down and later captured. I think people on this forum know full well how deeply in trouble the IAF are. Their planes are dropping out of the sky with increasing frequency.

At the same time, Pak knows it cannot match India's full conventional army. But Indian delusions of "we will get the world to isolate Pak" are going nowhere. I still see Indians fantasising about it on Twitter. They vastly overestimate how important they are. The West will give rhetorical support but little else.

 

[Randomuser]

India may have won wars against Pakistan, but their last kerfuffle in 2019 largely went Pakistan's way. India not only got a bloodied nose, it massive fumbled its response and even got a pilot shot down and later captured. I think people on this forum know full well how deeply in trouble the IAF are. Their planes are dropping out of the sky with increasing frequency.

At the same time, Pak knows it cannot match India's full conventional army. But Indian delusions of "we will get the world to isolate Pak" are going nowhere. I still see Indians fantasising about it on Twitter. They vastly overestimate how important they are. The West will give rhetorical support but little else.

I never bothered to read much on 2019 until the last few days.

So in 2019, India got caught lying about bombing terrorists, shooting down a PK jet and of course pretending that it's pilot wasn't captured.

Then in 2020, India eventually got caught lying about China entering it's space despite earlier denial and it's so called victory against Chinese troops despite the pics and videos showing lines of them being captured.

My question is why is India esp it's government still being allowed to say stuff and have people assume they are not lying? They didn't get caught once but twice now. And a third time since that report showed in 1962, they knew what they were doing would provoke China but claimed China backstabbed them. Why is India still allowed to be assumed to have credibility? They should be automatically assumed to have less credibility than western programs that claim to know about North Korea.

In this case, I blame the west more since they are the ones enabling this behaviour.

 

[mossen]

I blame the west more since they are the ones enabling this behaviour.

Because the West doesn't bear the cost of letting India live in its fantasy world, Pak and China does. Of course, the costs that India can inflict on China are minimal but Pak is another story. I do believe the current army chief of the Pak army is a pro-US stooge. He has re-oriented their foreign policy towards the US. China has tried to build an oil pipeline through the country, but Chinese workers have kept being victims of terrorist attacks by various elements. This is typical ISI behaviour, they can always wash their hands and claim they knew nothing. The real paymaster is probably the CIA. This is an old model which both agencies perfected during the Cold War.

I think the massive overinvestment that China made in Pak (CPEC etc) was a huge blunder. China got very little out of it except terrorist bombings of its own workers. Pak did benefit quite a bit. The more you read about South Asia, the more you understand the best thing that can happen to that place is a big beautiful wall to keep its problems walled in, quite literally.

 

[FriedButter]

I do believe the current army chief of the Pak army is a pro-US stooge. He has re-oriented their foreign policy towards the US.

An FYI. As a quote from the current Pakistani Defence Minister from 2 days ago.

Sky News: But you do admit sir that Pakistan has had a long history of backing and supporting and training and funding these terrorism groups.

Pakistan Defence Minister: We have been doing this dirty work for the United States for about 3 decades... and the west, including Britain

 

[phrozenflame]

Because the West doesn't bear the cost of letting India live in its fantasy world, Pak and China does. Of course, the costs that India can inflict on China are minimal but Pak is another story. I do believe the current army chief of the Pak army is a pro-US stooge. He has re-oriented their foreign policy towards the US. China has tried to build an oil pipeline through the country, but Chinese workers have kept being victims of terrorist attacks by various elements. This is typical ISI behaviour, they can always wash their hands and claim they knew nothing. The real paymaster is probably the CIA. This is an old model which both agencies perfected during the Cold War.

I think the massive overinvestment that China made in Pak (CPEC etc) was a huge blunder. China got very little out of it except terrorist bombings of its own workers. Pak did benefit quite a bit. The more you read about South Asia, the more you understand the best thing that can happen to that place is a big beautiful wall to keep its problems walled in, quite literally.

Being friends with China doesnt mean one has to be outright enemy of US. Thats just stupid and no country runs foreign policy like that nor China has ever asked any of its allies to make such choice. Not declaring US an enemy state doesnt make a very pro-Chinese establishment a US stooge. Lets avoid venturing into wierd Jai-Hind/MAGA realm here.

Regarding BRI, first, lets be clear, they are not donation or handouts. They are backed by various financial instruments, terms, conditions, interest rates, etc.

Undermining BRI (by attacking Pakistani and Chinese civilians associated with it) has been essential element of Indian proxies routed through Afghanistan. For now, China seems to have been rather passive about it at the big chess board level.

Regarding benefits of BRI, frankly, at this stage its a mixed bag because there is massive lack of transparency from both sides and some of the stuff is still ongoing.

Some infrastructure projects have been beneficial related to rails and roads for Pakistan and China both. If you go into line by line details of scantly available information, its not been bad for China. It has certainly been better than buying US T-bills.

Some are nothing but huge white elephants and a financial burden.The power plant agreements have been absolutely bad and anyone who signed those on side of Pakistan should have been hanged. Good RoIs have been made on those already by the investors.

There are other white elephant projects like Gwadar airport. There was absolutely no need for such a massive airport over there, whoever signed it on from both sides should have their heads checked, ideally hanged on PK side.

Meanwhile, some projects will bear fruit in the long term.

Anyway, point was, if you start picking thru fine details, its not blockbuster, but its aint that bad either.

 

[phrozenflame]

For almost every country this is true. Dunno bout India though.

I saw a post on Weibo. One of the reason India is so big headed is because with regards to South Asia, it has largely managed to get it's way. Usually involving force and coercion. The only thing that it certainly has not succeeded in is stuff that directly involved China. Sure it might have some setbacks like with Pakistan but overall it has managed to get control of the subcontinent. It's neighbours just don't have the strength to fight back.

However as what the AI had gathered, India has had a lot of losses in recent times. Part of this is because China has enough money and weapons to give India's neighbours. But the other reason is because India overreached and those actions are coming back to bite it in the ass. Look how all it's neighbors hate it now. That's really India's fault there not China.

So I guess we shall see where this goes. I hope no nukes.

India has managed to get shit all in South Asia. It has its influence by its sheer size, nothing else.

The big headed problem does not emanate from that and whoever seems to have written that analysis on Weibo probably has hardly interacted or dealt with Indians beyond internet it seems.

The problem is deep but not complex and the big headedness has risen with the rise of theocratic right wing nationalist political establishment in India riding on the coattails of Economic progress under written by Congress.

The problem is deep psychological scars of Muslim and then British rule. Secular govt in India somewhat kept that in check, but it was always there under the surface (Assasin of Gandhi and BJP are of same political lineage) The big headedness is a compensation for that complex.

The current govt thrives on 'Hindu is in danger' and 'Hindu is being undermined' otherwise they are perfect, superpower 2020 and everything that goes along with it. Under this government, the Hindu has finally reclaimed the lost glory. A random Raj shitting on the railway track while drinking cow piss can finally be PROUD of something, that sense of belonging to a superior pedigree! Jai Hind!

Do you see the contrast here? How China dealt with Century of Humiliation and how Non secular Indians dealt with it? That..is your answer.

 

[iewgnem]

White supremacy needs to be actively vilified like how the US vilifies socialism and communism. Look at all the flaws in the Western world order so why should anyone follow the Western world order? Yeah because that’s how the US forces everyone to follow. “I’m the good and if you don’t blindly follow and obey me, it must because you’re the evil.” That’s how the the West has framed white supremacy out to be something good for the world. Of course they don’t say that outright because it spells it out clearly that white people should be the only ones in power in this world and there would be resistance. Yeah say you're open to others being a part of their club but they will only follow and not have any power.

Look at how the Democrats are now trying to make themselves out to be the antithesis of Trump when the only difference is how they want to execute the same plans. Hillary Clinton said out loud that she didn't want her granddaughter to live in a world where China was number one. The Democrats don't say it out loud and directly but they see white supremacy as paramount in the world too. Look at Europe where they're helpless against Trump but they understand what he's trying to do. The only reason why they're questioning Trump's world order is because he's going after them too. China is the only country in the world making Trump think twice. China is the firewall of the world against white supremacy.

Historically there's nothing new here, it's just the same old barbarians MO where they raid small tribes and nations, gets full of themselves, turn their sights on China, and either gets wiped out militarily or gets assimilated culturally

I don't think most people, even most Chinese really mentally recognizes that Chinese culture is inherently very vengeful, that anyone who invaded or bombed China will always be implicitly seen as an enemy no matter what the day to day diplomatic situation is, and eventually, be it decades or even centuries later, that cultural memory will always arrive at a point where China wipes out that enemy.

 

[Captainquirk]

The containers that exploded in Iran's port were solid fuel for missiles imported from China, an Iranian official tells me. The explosion has caused massive destruction in Iran's largest and most strategic port. Sabotage or accident?

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Are they suppose to drop the water that high up where it turns into mist before it reaches the fire.

 

[Randomuser]

Historically there's nothing new here, it's just the same old barbarians MO where they raid small tribes and nations, gets full of themselves, turn their sights on China, and either gets wiped out militarily or gets assimilated culturally

I don't think most people, even most Chinese really mentally recognizes that Chinese culture is inherently very vengeful, that anyone who invaded or bombed China will always be implicitly seen as an enemy no matter what the day to day diplomatic situation is, and eventually, be it decades or even centuries later, that cultural memory will always arrive at a point where China wipes out that enemy.

People just don't know Chinese history. Otherwise they will notice almost every main enemy Chinese dynasties dealt with in their primes were wiped out to extinction or neutered totally. People keep saying China had two foreign dynasties without asking what happened to their people afterwards.

And funny enough the Qing dynasty run by Manchus not only agreed with China's methods towards it's enemies, it went a step further. That's why it had no issues wiping on the Mongol problem once and for all.