Trump 2.0 official thread

GZDRefugee

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It's not as though Xi hasn't been trying to reorient the focus and attention of numerous businesses for almost a decade now, but with little success. It takes a crisis for these individuals—driven by self-serving interests and the fantasy of harmony with the West—to begin adjusting their businesses, because their livelihoods depend on adapting to this new tariff reality.

I mean, there were still Chinese companies hoping to set up shop and launch an IPO on the U.S. stock exchange as recently as last year, for Pete's sake!The government can't really force these individuals and industries to act without providing the proper incentives or taking provocative action that would hasten their decision-making to align with the national security interests of the state. This is because, more often than not, the goals and objectives of the state and those of business interests do not align.
Can confirm the shitlibs in my family are in shambles. Definitely a "I told you so" moment.
 

daifo

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The amount of vitriol from MAGA against China the last few days on social media shows there is a real hatred for China. Americans on both the left and right have been brainwashed to hate China because they aren’t white and are communist. I live here and it’s wild. It wouldn’t take much to convince this blood thirsty populace to support a war with China. Their tune will change fast when they suffer casualties they haven’t experienced since the Korean War.

X isn't the real world. There are real people but also political "bots" (prob some dude in africa, india etc) from the libs and from maga. Now, only maga side is left in that context. It is not only the US government that sponsor bots like NAFO, but the political groups and rich pacts do as well. For example, i came into contact with one of the "democrats are ruining my city of san francisco" bot... but replying to that bot, i could tell that its only knowledge of sf was just from media.

Also, America is mostly boring and really isolating so they end up picking sides/college teams/sports team/concole/dc vs marvel etc as their identity to fight and argue over. You got some general keyboard warriors there as well

The normies are hanging out at like tik tok, instagram, facebook and even reddit.
 

manqiangrexue

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Trump wants other countries to lower their tariffs and buy more U.S. products. That’s pretty much what’s going to happen with majority of the countries coming to negotiate. Win. US lost nothing.

Trump wants to make “bespoke” deals with each country. Let’s just wait and see.
Oh, another "win?" Cus Trump was supposed to stop Vietnam from displacing American power over the globe right? Another rat-skull-for-a-bear-pelt cope from 75 IQ Trump supporters.

No other president would have wanted to trade such an unprecendented amount of disrespect and disdain over the whole world for the meager amounts of things that these small countries can be bullied into buying. And that's to the backdrop of a reduction in all the things they used to voluntarily buy. What a salesman Trump is; this is what "winning" looks like to Trump supporters... in a trade war with China LOL:
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Bellum_Romanum

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Can confirm the shitlibs in my family are in shambles. Definitely a "I told you so" moment.

I can't really be mad at the people you described in your family because I guarantee you that people like that exist and live among many Chinese families, especially in the West (not surprisingly), but also within mainland China itself.The reason for this is a lack of interest in history and sometimes a deliberate, self-imposed amnesia about the traumas that the Chinese people and China have experienced throughout their modern (PRC) existence - I am referring to people that have left mainland China living in the west. This is due to the pain and shame, which result in a lack of confidence in Chinese culture and identity.Despite China's rapid ascent—which many Chinese people overlook the incredible fact that this rise is unprecedented in modern history—there are persistent fears and concerns about the fragility of these gains, worrying that they could easily be taken away by Western powers. Some of us will even blame the government itself and the very system that many Chinese have benefited from as the main cause of the struggle in the first place.

Some will lament that if only China would agree to the U.S. demands, it would never have come to this. If only the CCP did not exist, all of these issues wouldn't be this acute. If only China gave up its illusion of taking Taiwan back, it wouldn't be experiencing this dilemma.

Having said that, I can't just blindly blame the folks who harbor such views and label them as nothing but self-hating sellouts. In my view, this reaction is part of human nature—the need to survive out of pure self-interest. Not to mention, it's the most basic reaction when we are confronted with danger: to either fight or flee.Most people aren't wedded to an ideology, especially when they have already mentally and physically resigned themselves to another country and culture for decades.

A decision that was never taken lightly or made on a whim. Let's not forget that today's China isn't the China of 20 years ago. Heck, in the China of the 1980s, the most readily available mode of transportation was a bicycle!
 

Eventine

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I am particularly critical of such measures taken now by China, because this direction in economic policy should have been taken into consideration and implemented a decade ago, and the inherent problems that are recurring today could have been avoided.

Chinese industrial production should have been redirected to benefit Chinese well-being, not to China's export sector that maintains the high standard of living of the entire world, especially the Western world, in exchange for dollars.
Decades ago, China did not have the skilled labor force, the technology, or the infrastructure to make such a transition. Selling to the US enabled it to buy / transfer technology, train up its work force, and build infrastructure.

Also, China is ultimately a resource poor country, particularly in farm land (where it just has 8% of the world's farm land vs. 20% of the population two decades ago) and oil (which was much more important two decades ago than today).

Without exporting to the US, it would've been much harder for China to develop since the global resources (and technologies) trade was in dollars. We should not pretend otherwise. China doesn't exist in a vacuum - it has had to compete with other developing countries like India, Indonesia, Brazil, etc. for investments and trade. If those countries sold to the US but China didn't, they would've had a huge advantage in the catch up race and may have displaced China in the manufacturing competition.
 
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