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The New Republic.
“Back in October … I flew down to Texas, got Elon Musk to [set up DOGE], and here was our agreement: that Elon was gonna cut a trillion dollars of waste fraud and abuse,” Lutnick told Jesse Waters of Fox News Wednesday night. “We have almost $4 trillion of entitlements, and no one’s ever looked at it before. You know Social Security is wrong, you know Medicaid and Medicare are wrong. So he’s gonna cut a trillion and we’re gonna get rid of all these tax scams that hammer against America and we’re gonna raise a trillion dollars of revenue.”
Just last week, President Trump promised that “Social Security won’t be touched, other than if there’s fraud or something. It’s going to be strengthened. Medicare, Medicaid—none of that stuff is going to be touched.”
Fast forward a week, and he endorsed House Republicans’ budget plan, which is expected to make an $880 billion cut to Medicaid to pay for tax cuts for the rich.
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Two days ago, IT issue at the short-staffed FAA grounded California flights:
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AssassinsMace

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I heard on TV that Trump's maritime charge also includes non-Chinese shipping companies that have just even one Chinese made ship in their fleet. All their ships even if it isn't Chinese made will be charged half of what a Chinese made ship is charged to dock in the US. That's the punishment of any shipping company if they bought a Chinese made container ship so the only way they don't get charged is they have to get rid of their Chinese made ships.
 

iewgnem

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I heard on TV that Trump's maritime charge also includes non-Chinese shipping companies that have just even one Chinese made ship in their fleet. All their ships even if it isn't Chinese made will be charged half of what a Chinese made ship is charged to dock in the US. That's the punishment of any shipping company if they bought a Chinese made container ship so the only way they don't get charged is they have to get rid of their Chinese made ships.
I mean, they can either passing the cost to American importers/exporters, with no loss of marketshare because everyone else pays too, or they can write off their billion $ investment, hand over revenue and market share to Chinese shipping companies, pay extra for new ships, just to have China do the same to those new ships, except China is a much larger trading nation, and they have to write off the new ships too followed by going out of business

There are only two outcome to this: either China gain monopoly over global shipping operations, or US import/export costs goes through the roof, lol
 

plawolf

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This whole thing feels more and more like a backdooring of neolib "consumption tax" ideology. It's a largely forgotten 90s proposal where the government could maintain a balanced budget by shifting tax budren from the upper class to everyone else through purely taxing consumption of goods and services. Less taxes for the upper class would trigger "trickle down economics", growing the economy and making up the financial difference for the affected.

I genuinely believe Trump never mentally moved past the 90s so this tracks. Tariffs are ultimately a consumption tax and this $1 million "port fee" propsal is a round about way of doing the same thing. Then you have taxes for the bottom 60% rising by 2026, and falling for the top 40%, all from Trump's 2017 Tax Cuts.

The only think that trickles down is shit and piss.

Trickle down economics is at best pure fantasy, and most likely deliberate fraud by the wealth to justify them stealing the lion share of a nation’s economic wealth for themselves.

The economic reality is that if you want to maximise economic growth, you should distribute wealth to the poor, not the rich.

For poor people, giving them a 1000 of them $1000 extra disposable income each will generate at a minimum $1000 of short term general consumption, since they will have been suppressing consumption previously since they could not afford to consume what they actually need. That $1000 is then likely to balloon into $2-3k additional consumption via the multiplier effect.

But if you give that same $1,000,000 to one billionaire and you are not going to see much if any additional consumption, since the billionaire already had more than enough wealth to consume to the limit of his appetites. At most you might get him buying an extra Rolex or similar hyper-inflated ultra luxury item that generates almost zero multiplier effect, since the profit margins on those are so high it’s basically a parallel closed loop economy where the ultra wealth basically trade amongst themselves and just add a bunch of zeros of the end of prices.

The principle justification for trickle down economics is that concentrating wealth at the top gives those lucky 0.1%ers the opportunity to invest. Which would have been truth if the stock markets weren’t totally divorced from reality, so all the ‘investing’ in stocks and shares only serves to pump an equity bubble instead of leading to anything actually being built that could lead to more employment and increased production.

This is terminal stage capitalism, where greed has been allowed to run rampant so long that the economic indicators and measures of wealth are no longer even approximately correlating with reality that normal economic principles no longer apply.

At the end of the day, at its core, Finance and Economics is supposed to be about the measurement and allocation of finite resources. That doesn’t work at all when you have manufactured phantom ‘wealth’ worth many times your actual resources. The normal result of this is hyperinflation. But the west has managed to create a band-aid to delay the inevitable in the form of Trickle down economics theory.

The fact that trickle down economics is bullshit and doesn’t add consumption and actually suppresses it is precisely why America needs to do it, to trap as much as the excess phantom ‘wealth’ in hyper inflated luxury goods like mega-yachts, sports cars, ‘art’ etc as possible so the inflationary impact doesn’t spill over too much to the general population.

Otherwise imagine what would happen if the trillions of phantom wealth of the top 100 richest people were given to the poor and they immediately went to spend it all on everyday items, hyper inflation as demand vastly outstrips supply.
 
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