Yes, things are moving in the right direction. It's not that I want everything now. I just see a lot of easily avoidable mistakes. That's what I keep pointing out. For example, white worship in the media should removed completely. It hurts Chinese children's self esteem and leads to foreigners abusing China with unearned white privilege.
Chinese Soft Power and Media Discussion and Updates
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Not sure if you are just arguing for the sake of arguing now.For anyone else following this discussion, the most important is bolded
Women's sexual preferences are universal and has no nationality. And, the CPC wants soft power so they'll need to adapt.
The West loves when China castrates their own men's sexual appeal by being nerdy scrawny incels with bowlcuts and glasses. The West loves people like you because you keep China weak.
I want Chinese men to become more masculine, dominate, and succeed. The West hates people like me because I help China grow stronger.
I re-read what I wrote. My comment was not about the movie. I can see how it can come across that way. I haven't watched the movie. My comment was about the main character design only, which is a super ugly half boy / half girl.
This is one of the staff members on Ne Zha 2
He says that Chinese people grew up looking up to Disney and Pixar. Instead of calling it "ugly shit" because it came from the West, they recognized the quality and tried to learn. That's a healthy productive mindset. You reject other's achievements as "white worshipping" and refuse to learn. That mindset is insane.
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Your false claim, "Terminator 2 is ugly shit", perfectly captures your consistent dishonesty.
You are a hyper nationalist that lives inside a fantasy world. You reject reality with denial, lies, and insults. Here are some examples:
1. Terminator 2 is currently at the top of all action movies ever made.
yet you reject reality and call it "ugly shit" / '"white trash"
2. You did the same thing over the definition of soft power recently. You rejected standard definitions in favor of your own definition that no one in the field uses.
3. You also did it by spinning China's obvious PR failure against the West's atrocity propaganda about Xinjiang as a "success".
4. You are doing it now by falsely accusing me of being a "white worshipper" even though I constantly tell everyone to end white worship.
5. You deny effective universal communication tactics work by falsely claiming ", they are stupid and they communicate best with stupid people.". It's worked very well on Chinese people for decades. Does that mean you think Chinese people are stupid people?
See the clarification above: "My comment was about the main character design only,"
You're a broken record. You twist everything I say into an "insecurity". You're blinded by hyper nationalism. Only mindless slobbering praise for Ne Zha is allowed. Anything less than burning all copies of Terminator 2 is "white worship" to you.
Yes. Try reading it instead of dodging
Nothing to fix. I don't white worship. I'm actively cutting down Western power in China. Go work on the white worship epidemic in China.
The video where the guy looks like a very tall, muscular, and handsome model?
That guy can be wearing a Nazi uniform and pick up the grand daughters of holocaust survivors, but sure, the women must be crazy for floral patterns /sarcasm. But that's irrelevant to the other 95% of men who don't have the looks to pull it off.
Men's clothing stores rarely sell floral patterns because it generally hurts their chances with women and get laughed at by men (in any country).
This looks like an ad. You're a dupe if you believe random and unusually attractive women on the streets would suddenly change clothes (where?) and walk around with a stranger on camera. They are probably paid models. This guy is obviously paid to promote Chinese clothes, which is fine. Don't try to pretend this is organic.
Delusional people out of touch with reality believe every style can be successful. Men that succeed with attractive women generally converge towards mostly masculine archetypes. Major outliers are rare. Every man who actually succeeds with women knows this.
Your claim falls flat to everyone except inexperienced guys.
How convenient for you to refine things. Anything you do "is universal" / "has no nationality" even though all branches of science came from the West including the subject you study.
Ok.
Effective communication principles are universal. It has no nationality.
Women's sexual preferences are universal. It has no nationality.
Adopting effective communication tactics to defeat the West at information warfare is not "adopting a style to please others".
Effective communication tactics are universal. It has no nationality.
Principles like the work everywhere.
A China stubbornly repeating failed communication tactics is what pleases the West. The West loves people like you because you keep China weak.
I teach China effective tactics to win at information warfare to defeat the West. The West hates people like me because I help China grow stronger and cut down Western power.
Calling "Dongbei floral patterns and permed bowlcuts feminine" is a fact like describing needles as sharp. If I saw white men wearing floral patterns, I would call it gay too. None of this is "pleasing others". It's understanding what works and what doesn't for building attraction. It's not a woman's sexual fantasy to get swept off her feet by a bouquet of flowers with arms. It might be yours.
Wake up from la la land. Donald Trump (The Führer is a pussy-grabbing con artist who ran casinos into the ground. He sleeps with a copy on Mein Kampf under his toupee) has become president of usa...twice. He even inserted his unqualified family members into positions of power. mUh mErItItOcRaCy!
Just a couple of points:
- The best way to win is to play your own game, and entice others to play it - that's what China is doing, playing to their strengths instead of playing someone else's game. This is why the last 2 months we have seen 2 sixth gens, Tiktok 'revolution', mass exodus to XHS, and now Deepseek.
- Complaining is not an effective way to fight whatever it is you want to fight. Offer a viable solution
- Whatever we're discussing on this forum, it is 99.999% likely that the people governing China have thought of it too, and have much better ideas being implemented
- Terminator 2 was groundbreaking for its time. If it came out today it would be laughed out of the cinemas. Same thing with the Beatles - they wouldn't make it past the local radio station if released today
- Maybe @manqiangrexue actually is a 9/10, and pulls chicks whilst wearing a floral pattern suit on the reg
And one last thing:
Swap "West" and "China", and this sounds just like the ranting of a 4 chan incel on twitter with 34 followers and 1000+ following.
That's something that can't be changed overnight, however I prefer a constructive attitude than a negative one.
It's like the management problem - what's better, a person that gives you 100 reasons why something can't be done, or the person that offers a solution on how the problem can be solved moving forward?
I don't just complain though...
As an example, I listed a few universal communication principles such as being first, framing, word choice, repetition, simplification, working on emotion, and social proof. I see China doing these things poorly.
China's gonna do what China's gonna do. It is obvious the Tik Tok exodus to XHS (China's most liberal white guy loving forum) had changed the narrative both in China and out.
The thing is China's females tend to move the needle on looks for both men and women. Obviously, guys like Wu Jing, Donnie Yen and Wolf Warriors in general.
But girls like the "little fresh meat." It is their aesthetics on Douyin and Chinese Drama that drove the major growth in Chinese pop culture to SE Asia. It is what it is.
The Wolf Warrior 2, Wandering Earth and Operation Red Sea branch of things have their moments at the top too.
The Chinese market is big enough for both. And that market in the end is what will change perceptions. Without the breakout success of BM Wukong and Nezha 2, there would be no discussion period. Grow and everything will fall into place.
That is the dao, the way, of how everything has progressed in China since Deng. Grow until they cannot ignore, dismiss or break you.
The thing is China's females tend to move the needle on looks for both men and women. Obviously, guys like Wu Jing, Donnie Yen and Wolf Warriors in general.
But girls like the "little fresh meat." It is their aesthetics on Douyin and Chinese Drama that drove the major growth in Chinese pop culture to SE Asia. It is what it is.
The Wolf Warrior 2, Wandering Earth and Operation Red Sea branch of things have their moments at the top too.
The Chinese market is big enough for both. And that market in the end is what will change perceptions. Without the breakout success of BM Wukong and Nezha 2, there would be no discussion period. Grow and everything will fall into place.
That is the dao, the way, of how everything has progressed in China since Deng. Grow until they cannot ignore, dismiss or break you.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
Nothing you write is important.
You just said some style is repulsive outside of Asia. You just slapped yourself.
By getting more hard power.
This isn't about soft or hard power anymore; this is just your personal anger that you've been discriminated against in the dating game because you're Chinese. I don't think Chinese people look like that. Your rage has led you to think that anyone who isn't fixated on muscular macho performance is like that. In actuality, Chinese people are quite balanced with a specific focus on intellect, which is the modern key to success and why China is overtaking the US. Your narrow image of what a man should look like showcases your insecurities and poor knowledge on the subject.
Chinese men succeed by studying STEM and making China surpass the West. The West wished we were all angry and gym-obsessed with being macho. The West has nothing to fear or care about the kind of Chinese man you suggest. They fear a room full of young computer nerds. You don't even know how insignificant you are to your enemies with your narrow little mind.
I understood it and understood that it's a stupid complaint. The movie is a smashing success. Nobody else cares about what you think a boy or girl should look like. You don't have a leg to stand on.
He learned design skills and computer animation, and used them to further Chinese culture. He did not make another Pixar with American characters and their struggles; he learned computer animation and made something completely Chinese. I don't say that about him; I said it about you. What is it about you always trying to pretend I said something about other people?
That's not a false claim; that's an opinion. You think Nezha's design is ugly but I can't say the a white dude with half his body exposing a metal skeletion is ugly or I'm dishonest? What kid of pedistal are you putting white people on?
LOL This is an exact parody of you calling Nezha ugly despite its success. You're too stupid to see that? You called a Chinese hit ugly so I called your American hit ugly. It's so easy to understand.
I don't actually have any opinion on Terminator. I really don't care.
Because I say the definitions make no logical sense. You cannot call something an independent power if it is entirely reliant on another power. You also made up your own definition of soft power being non-transactional and hard power being transactional which you can't find anywhere except you can't even justify it.
I don't think I called it a success because it has no results. It's just them loudmouthing random shit and us basically ignoring it because it's too retarded and low-level. You think it's a failure because you can only understand communication as though everything was a shouting match. You think like a Westerner.
Telling people not to steal doesn't mean you don't steal. In this case, you did. You called Chinese movie hits ugly, American ones masterpieces, you imagined that all Chinese men were bowlcut nerd incels and spoke as if working out and having muscles is Western. You are a white worshipping denier like a guy who denies being gay because he's married to a woman even though he thinks about men when with her.
Not with most Chinese people, only with a small liberal traitorous portion. Those Chinese people who have been turned against thier own blood and interests are very very stupid people.
No clarification needed. That's what I always thought you meant and that's what I was responding to.
You exude insecurity. It's obvious with every post. I don't care to burn any movies, nor have I praised Nezha at all except point out that statistically speaking, it's very successful. I did everything to show that your arguments using your personal aesthetic preferences are inapplicable nonsense.
A wiki page on "acting white?" I really don't want to. You've gone so far off topic it's just stupid. Also, wikipedia is not a source; anyone can write their thoughts there. If there's anything pertinant, try arguing with it.
You don't know you do but you think that Chinese people are incel bowlcut nerds and white people are gym-shredded Chads and you want us to be like them... even though your stereotype is not true, rather, Chinese people are balanced intellectuals winning the tech race and the West can't do anything about them.
How?
I am; I'm cutting you down!
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
Ughhhhh so ignorant on attraction, yet so many angry nonsense incel posts.
Female attraction to men is very very complicated. I didn't want to get into this because it's off topic but I seem to need to give a little lesson. Female attraction is nuanced to how she believes you can lead her through a successful life journey. That means many many things, not just going to the gym. Confidence, competence, humor, power, wealth (even inherited), etc... are all in the mix. A floral pattern, or basically some flamboyant unusual style, can demonstrate confidence, humor, and uniqueness. You don't need to look like a genetic marvel to pull it off. I went to prom in a purple suit with a pink vest. It was hilarious and got lots of compliments. I went to my friend's funeral wearing a white t-shirt, red swim trunks, flip flops, sunglasses and my dad's black and gray med school tie. His sister cried and said he would have wanted me dressed no other way. I know you don't need to dress traditionally to get good results.
It's because it's a unique style for people who like unique styles so they won't get enough sales to justify the manufacturing. A custom-fitted floral suit can run you thousands because it's going to look fire if you're the type of guy who recognizes that you can pull it off. You're just not.
Oh my god you know so little it's so sad. It is entirely possible to use style or something else to capture random good-looking girls' attention and get them to play along with you. This is the core concept behind picking up random women you don't know and getting thier numbers to go out. It might sadly not be your experience but I know it happens... depending on venue, it can happen very often. Be confident, be fun, lose the angry incel vibe telling everyone to conform to what you think is a successful man. Things can happen for you too.
Gosh you're so stupid at this and you need so much help...
No, my claim is from experience.
Life is convenient for me because I'm right.
Science is the study of the interaction between nature and man. Have you heard of this? You are such a white worshipper that you think the West invented science LOLOL No one invented science; it's always there for anyone to play with. And even if you were to be as confused and white-worshipping as you are, you should still understand China's long history of designs made before Western civilization even arose using our knowledge of the sciences.
No. We just demonstrated that what works with you doesn't work with me. What you think is clever I think is stupid.
No, you just said that certain styles are successful only in Asia. You're wrong, but you said that. Also, some women prefer smart guys, some prefer muscular guys, others rich guys, others, tall skinny guys, and sometimes they like artistic guys.
I don't think you know what "universal" or "without nationality" means. Science is universal and without nationality because the laws of nature work the same in every country to every organism.
You can't counter an argument just by copying the words and reversing them; you actually need to know what they mean.
They are not effective to smart people who prefer the stong silent approach. Western tactics are not effective to me.
No, culture determines how you perceive communication. Western culture means one is more likely to respond to macho bragging while Chinese culture means one is more likely to respond to soft-spoken success. This is why politicians are expected to lie in the West but are often fired in China when they make a false statement and lose public confidence.
You didn't need a wiki page for a basic principle, oh ignorant one. As I said, they work for stupid people. Smart people say, "Saying something over and over again doesn't make it true. Only the truth makes it true."
Nothing about China right now pleases the West. A China that seeks to communicate with Westerners wastes its own resource and time. They will find the truth if they are smart enough and when they do, they will fully embrace it because it is the truth they found, not one they were force fed.
The West loves people like you because you worship white people but claim not to, telling Chinese people to be closet worshippers like you.
Who did you teach what? Who follows you? LOL
To be fair, they probably hate you because everyone hates you for having a negative downer attitude, trying to conform people into a single standard and also because you're annoying, but politically, they like people who are stupid enough to think that Chinese people need to go to the gym and be less nerdy to beat the West.
It's literally you watching other men demonstrate unique style, wowing everyone on the street, then getting a girl while you scream, "Sissy! Gaayyyy!" like an incel on the side.
Wake up from the Matrix. You're not an agent. You don't need to be an archetype to succeed. You can succeed as a unique person like countless other people have. Sorry to tell you, but the failures that you've experiences do not invalidate others' success. Rather, it is their successes that invalidate your failures.
What does America losing its mind trying to compete with China have to do with this?
solarz
Brigadier
LOL, stop talking about things you have no clue about. Nezha is drawn the way he is for a reason.
I re-read what I wrote. My comment was not about the movie. I can see how it can come across that way. I haven't watched the movie. My comment was about the main character design only, which is a super ugly half boy / half girl.
This is one of the staff members on Ne Zha 2
He says that Chinese people grew up looking up to Disney and Pixar. Instead of calling it "ugly shit" because it came from the West, they recognized the quality and tried to learn. That's a healthy productive mindset. You reject other's achievements as "white worshipping" and refuse to learn. That mindset is insane.
.
Your false claim, "Terminator 2 is ugly shit", perfectly captures your consistent dishonesty.
You are a hyper nationalist that lives inside a fantasy world. You reject reality with denial, lies, and insults. Here are some examples:
1. Terminator 2 is currently at the top of all action movies ever made.
yet you reject reality and call it "ugly shit" / '"white trash"
I don't know why you care so much about IMDB ratings, that's literally white worshipping. Nezha 2 is more financially successful than all of those films adjusted for inflation.