PLA Small arms
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TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
A sub compact of that size with a single stack of less than 8 rounds in 9x19mm. I can name half a dozen pistols from the commercial market of the same class that start at a 10 round box. Remember the QSZ193 is a 9mm not exactly a magnum caliber.
According to my research it is like 85 grams heavier than the Glock G26 Gen5, which apparently has a double stack magazine. It seems PLA wanted something cheap.
I have a question for you. Are there any advantages to the rotating barrel design? It should supposedly have longevity and accuracy benefits but I guess the said benefits would be purely academic.
Maybe it's a officer gun like QBZ11. Singel stack could be slimmer and look more elegant.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
I have to correct myself it’s actually double stack single feed.
The magazine body looks like it can hold significantly more ammunition. This is a common thing in American jurisdictions where Magazine capacity has been limited by legislations. So a full size 9mm handgun that normally would have a 15 rounds capacity is now limited to 10 rounds because a block has been installed and a shorter spring and follower .
The same thing I think has happened. Norinco being told by the PLA that the QSZ193 was to replace the QSZ11 and various pocket pistols with no more than 7 rounds. If I am correct then at a later date they could introduce 10+ round magazines.
Academic. A slightly better locking and muzzle control/ recoil but 9mm NATO is hardly a hard to control cartridge.
It’s a pistol. They are all “officer guns”. As to streamlining, I have to correct that. It is a double stack. So a 7 round box makes even less sense. I just think they missed the memo. In fact this photo right here.
Note how high up the witness holes are.
The magazine body looks like it can hold significantly more ammunition. This is a common thing in American jurisdictions where Magazine capacity has been limited by legislations. So a full size 9mm handgun that normally would have a 15 rounds capacity is now limited to 10 rounds because a block has been installed and a shorter spring and follower .
The same thing I think has happened. Norinco being told by the PLA that the QSZ193 was to replace the QSZ11 and various pocket pistols with no more than 7 rounds. If I am correct then at a later date they could introduce 10+ round magazines.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
That doesn’t mesh with how police shoot out actually play out.
An undercover officer doesn’t have the luxury of backup and are often outnumbered. Besides. This isn’t really a pocket watch sized pistol especially if it’s large enough for an accessory. I could understand if this was a micro compact pistol. But at this size and use case. If you need to fire it in anger more ammo per magazine is better than less.
Some are more practical than other. Glocks are backup sidearms for soldiers and primary firearm for cops. They are intended to be used.
Other pistols are replacement for decorative officer saber and isn't very practical. Like the modern version of this.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Yes I am aware of that. However if that is the case you are making then you have a number of problems.
1) Why add an accessory rail? That’s a tactical feature. The previous QSZ11 pistol actually made more sense with this logic as it had no rail and wood grips. Adding a rail and a light/laser module indicates an intent to use.
2) if the aim was just a belt hanger why develop from scratch? Norinco already has products in the same class commercially offered. The CS/LP05. Other national armies that have done something similar use commercially available products as they are just cheaper yet fill the whole mission just as well. I mean sabers are still used for some armies in ceremonial reasons. Said sabers are not built for combat but as wall hangers.
3) Why bother anyway? I mean well a few armies have sabers most have melted them down for steel decades ago. This is the PLA if they want a hip hanger it’s not for dress uniform it’s for when they LARP as field commanders so why not just put a type 92A on? This line of argument is a contradiction.
The whole point of a General officer’s compact pistol is for concealed carry. The U.S. used to issue the Colt pocket hammer less but “Merica” over time it just became a compact leading to today’s M18. Yet M18 is CC sized. The Germans issued Walther PP and PPK. Many armies issued smaller caliber pistols in .38 APC or .380. The Russians developed the Makarov which is a small handgun for the job then followed it on during the Soviet era with a number of smaller ones.
Yet the reason they had them wasn’t for parades but for the practical purposes of CC. It was intended to give the Staff officer or secretary a means of defending themselves in the event the base was overrun and they were caught in service dress fighting to get to their staff car.