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ChongqingHotPot92 said:
The first part of your argument is defiantly true. Even if the Chinese economy were to crash tomorrow, there would unlikely to be famines or large scale civil war/social unrests that characterised much of Chinese history prior to 1978. The social structure and institutions are strong enough to keep the ship from suddenly sinking.

As with hopes for a better future though, the 2022 Omicron lockdowns really dashed many people’s confidence in the government’s ability to solve problems. Intentions were good, but when authorities to lock people up or forcefully evicted to quarantine centres, those who were charged to carry the operations at the lowest level of the power echelon REALLY enjoyed showing off their authority. Then you got all kinds of abuses you read on Weibo. And all those measure failed to stop Omicron. It took an uprising by November 2022 to force Xi to completely renounce the long-failed Zero Covid policy. By then, people’s hopes were dashed. China still has yet to recover from that social trauma.

The abuse of power at the lower levels of the nomenklatura style bureaucracy shows a failure of administration similar to those of the Great Leap Forward, but thankfully far less people died. No accountability or course correction what so ever until too late. Nonetheless, it has not stoped folks from questioning whether their kids could have lives.
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If this is true then those Chinese have become entitled, soft and weak. I almost never blame individuals or cultural problems, since I'm a believer that problems are basically social, not individual. But in this 1 specific situation I have to blame the individuals because their complaints simply aren't valid.

Let's get it clear what happened: these people were not killed, tortured, imprisoned, looted or humiliated. They were not getting gunned down, their homes were not being demolished, their electricity and water were not cut, they did not face constant discrimination, they weren't enslaved, they weren't even asked to work! They were asked to stay indoors for a few weeks. If they could not handle that and believe this is 'social trauma'... what can I call that, but incredible weakness?
 
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MortyandRick said:
Is this guy reputable? Cause I can find you many people like him using data to advance their talking point. Eg. Alex Jones, fox news, the guy that linked autism or vaccines. List goes on.
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There is a meme that Zhihu is where Chinese post their newly made up stories (like reddit). Once you see a couple more posts, you'll realize it is full of lies, probably backed by CIA.
 
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Israel has attacked in Iran, based on the explosions, it seems Iran was completely unable to stop it as well. They will have to respond in a huge way. Begun the Israel-Iran war has!!!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1781125040592801809


As for China, its party time in Beijing. US is going to be bogged down in Middle East for atleast 2-3 years.
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Don’t think China will be partying atm. One of Chinas allies got struck and eventually if things do go south for Iran, China and Russia may have to intervene in some way. Still it is true that Washington will not being partying either because this will end up killing Bidens reelection chances.

This is now do or die for Iran, Israel is not prepared judging from the previous assault and its cost for a prolonged bombing campaign of real weapons this time being used should the allegations of Iran possessing hypersonic missiles end up being true. Given the coverage of the previous assault, the retaliation from Iran and its proxies will come from multiple directions and with greater intensity lasting for longer. The USA can ill afford this fight but at Netanyahu’s behest, they will do so, in the end sinking both nations into a never ending nightmare that will have costs far exceeding what the west is able to bare in regards to material, personnel and political
 
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jiajia99 said:
Don’t think China will be partying atm. One of Chinas allies got struck and eventually if things do go south for Iran, China and Russia may have to intervene in some way. Still it is true that Washington will not being partying either because this will end up killing Bidens reelection chances.

This is now do or die for Iran, Israel is not prepared judging from the previous assault and its cost for a prolonged bombing campaign of real weapons this time being used should the allegations of Iran possessing hypersonic missiles end up being true. Given the coverage of the previous assault, the retaliation from Iran and its proxies will come from multiple directions and with greater intensity lasting for longer. The USA can ill afford this fight but at Netanyahu’s behest, they will do so, in the end sinking both nations into a never ending nightmare that will have costs far exceeding what the west is able to bare in regards to material, personnel and political
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Iran is most certainly not a Chinese ally. China has no allies in the Middle East. It has good relations with all countries. China does not prefer Iran over Saudi Arabia.

China will enjoy this from the background and focus on developing Chinese tech and economy. The biggest news for China? Huawei's new phone beating US sanctions.
 
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FairAndUnbiased said:
If this is true then those Chinese have become entitled, soft and weak. I almost never blame individuals or cultural problems, since I'm a believer that problems are basically social, not individual. But in this 1 specific situation I have to blame the individuals because their complaints simply aren't valid.

Let's get it clear what happened: these people were not killed, tortured, imprisoned, looted or humiliated. They were not getting gunned down, their homes were not being demolished, their electricity and water were not cut, they did not face constant discrimination, they weren't enslaved, they weren't even asked to work! They were asked to stay indoors for a few weeks. If they could not handle that and believe this is 'social trauma'... what can I call that, but incredible weakness?
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How do you justify that if one person were infected, the entire floor would be forcefully relocated to quarantine camps? Or when you order deliveries, the security guard would throw them away, forcing you to buy food and vegetables from neighborhood committees what often overcharge so they themselves could profit off the deliveries? And if you have a pet and live on the same floor as someone who got infected, your pet would be brutally executed whilst you get sent to the camps? This was not a war footing like the siege of Leningrad. It was an overreaction to a new strand of virus that could not have been stopped in the first place. The surge from November 2022 to February 2023 proved that point. The whole 2022 lockdown was pointless to began with. It only let to power abuses that made my relatives in Shanghai who still hold grudges against the security guards and the neighborhood committee. They are still patriots, but they can never forgive the people who starved them, forced them to purchase hyper expensive vegetables, and sent their neighbours to quarantine camps (where the sewers simply did not work and forced everyone to sleep in jail like conditions) in Pudong for more than a month in. The whole drama was a farce to begin with. Who’s fault was it? The man at the very top who wanted a perfectly smooth transition to his third term and wrongly judged that defeating Omicron could be another one of his achievements. He did get his third term, but the whole Omicron lockdown drama rightly got him back with his pants down by November. When protesters in Shanghai finally shouted “Xi step down, CPC step down” during the November protests, they meant to vent all their anger and pain suffered just to so that the bear with a very little brain could have superficial 面子 for his political transition. When the iron fist of the CCP strikes you hard, you cease to be a little pinky. People are citizens and should be treated as so, not 韭菜 to be wasted for privileged folks.
 
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iran and china has comprehensive strategic partnership. Its probably on same level as the one with russia. China do not want to outwardly declare alliances aside from maybe with DPRK to not get embroiled with external conflicts. But when push comes to shove, as we have seen with the Ukraine war, we all know whose side China will be on, and it's not the Western imperialistic side lol.
 
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