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Rafi

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Both Iran and Turkiye are poorly led with collapsing birth rates even with low standard of living and what ever best they produce are clinging on to West like that Turkish Vaccine developer in Germany. This poor leadership (which is reflection of population) and lack of legitimacy make them babbling about Israel the country which helped them in past. This point is not ignored by those who are observing them. I would be surprised if the current borders of Iran and Türkiye would be the same if there was no Europe with past several centuries of development and i would think decline of Europe will impact them badly.

Time to take your medication again.
 

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Germany in New Push to Get China Behind Ukraine Peace Efforts​

BERLIN—German Chancellor Olaf Scholz plans to urge Chinese leader Xi Jinping to scale back economic support China is giving Russia and to pressure Moscow to take part in peace talks on Ukraine, with the aim of settling the conflict on terms acceptable to Kyiv, German officials said.

A negotiated end to the conflict, now in its third year, is unlikely in the near term. Kyiv has said it would accept nothing short of a complete Russian withdrawal and reparations. Moscow says it expects to keep large chunks of Ukrainian territory that its armed forces now occupy. Western officials say Russia could be preparing a new offensive in late spring and summer.

“We want to make it clear to China that this war is illegal and that it infringes on our core interests,” a senior German official said. “Right now China is on the side of the aggressor…It should participate actively in all diplomatic efforts to end the war.”

Scholz is on a three-day, three-city tour of China and is scheduled to meet Xion Tuesday.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry didn’t respond to a request for comment.

Russian troops are on the move in Ukraine now, pushing against Ukrainian defenses, though gains so far have been incremental and come at a high cost in men and materiel. German officials say a reduction in China’s support could be decisive in bringing Moscow to the negotiating table.

Many Western politicians and analysts believe Russian President Vladimir Putin hopes to make more territorial gains in Ukraine and won’t negotiate before the U.S. election in November. Some Western allies such as Britain are hesitant about leaning on Ukraine to engage in talks directly with Russia, fearing that Russia’s goal remains to replace the government in Kyiv with a leadership more pliant to the Kremlin’s demands.

In February, Putin told former Fox News host Tucker Carlson the West—not Kyiv—should negotiate with Moscow to end the Ukraine war. On Friday, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said a draft peace agreement put forward by Russia in March 2022 should be the basis for new talks to stop the fighting.

Still, while Russia now has the upper hand, the front line hasn’t shifted markedly in months and there is little prospect of one side scoring a decisive military victory over the other soon. This and the spiraling costs of the war make it likely that its end will have to be negotiated sooner or later.

The West has failed in the past to secure Chinese backing for a diplomatic solution. While Beijing isn’t believed to be directly supplying Moscow with weapons, Western officials said Chinese companies are supplying dual-use goods, such as electronic parts and chemicals that are key components of weapons and are helping Russia maintain and rebuild its military.

China is providing economic backing for Putin’s war, and it is therefore crucial to get it behind any serious effort to end the aggression, said Fabrice Pothier, former senior NATO official who now advises the Kyiv government. Pothier said only full NATO membership for Ukraine could secure a lasting peace, rather than Putin’s demand of “neutrality.”

“The important thing is for Scholz to be clear that any scenario involving some neutrality for Ukraine isn’t a workable option, not so much for the Ukrainians as for Putin, who doesn’t accept the very idea of Ukrainian sovereignty,” Pothier said.

After China made a series of overtures to countries in Europe, signaling a desire to re-engage economically after the hiatus of the Covid-19 pandemic, there is now hope among some Western governments that, with China’s backing, negotiations involving Russia could begin before the end of the year, according to several Western official.

Chinese diplomats have sounded out both Ukrainian and Russian officials in recent months about the possibility of restarting peace talks, as has Turkey, which has also offered to host potential negotiations, according to officials from several countries. Earlier talks between Kyiv and Moscow that broke down in the summer of 2022 were largely held in Istanbul.

Ukraine later set up a forum known as the Peace Summit with non-Western nations, including several such as China, India and Saudi Arabia that have good relations with Russia. Members have held talks for nearly a year, though China only attended one meeting and Moscow hasn’t yet been invited.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said in a recent interview that diplomats from the nations participating in the summit could soon present a peace plan to Russia. Zelensky has said that he will only negotiate with Russia in a forum that includes Xi, and that China must be a guarantor of any potential agreement, according to people familiar with past talks.

The U.S. government recently said China had stepped up supplies of nonlethal aid that can be used for weapons manufacturing to Russia. But German officials say that China’s refusal to provide Moscow with any weapons or ammunition two years into the war shows Beijing is keeping its options open and could yet be swayed to lean on Putin.

“China is still walking a thin line,” one senior official said.

Notably, China hasn’t moved to finish the expansion of a pipeline for importing Russian natural gas that is in the early stages of construction, even as Russia desperately seeks new buyers for the gas it is no longer selling to Europe. One senior Kremlin official who recently visited Beijing said the Chinese government was stalling to preserve leverage over Putin so it could pressure him to end the war should it become too disruptive to its economy.

Several people close to the Kremlin have in recent months begun back channel work to try to restart negotiations using the failed peace talks from 2022 as a baseline for an eventual deal. During those talks, Russia proposed to retreat from some Ukrainian territory in return for Ukraine limiting the size of its army and being barred from receiving Western military aid.

Chinese diplomats have in recent months been talking to senior officials in Ukraine, Russia and the West about possible negotiations, including during visits in early March. This approach has met with skepticism by most Western governments because the officials were junior diplomats and didn’t appear to carry a clear mandate from Xi.

Xi, who talks regularly with Putin, has spoken just once to Zelensky since the war began, and has so far refused Ukrainian requests for a meeting.

Ambassador Li Hui, special representative for Euroasian Affairs, headed the Chinese delegation to Kyiv, where he was given the cold shoulder by Zelensky’s chief of staff Andriy Yermak, according to people familiar with the talks. Yermak held a brief presentation to his Chinese guest showing evidence that Chinese components had been found in weapons such as drones that Russia uses to attack Ukraine.
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz plans to urge Chinese leader Xi Jinping to scale back economic support China is giving Russia and to pressure Moscow to take part in peace talks on Ukraine
China is still walking a thin line,” one senior official said.
there is now hope among some Western governments that, with China’s backing, negotiations involving Russia could begin before the end of the year, according to several Western official.

And we finally found out why Scholz is in China. I hope he brought along his squeaky red nose. Time to use your “leverage” to make China cease trading relations with Russia and force an unconditional Russian surrender.

Their first term of the unconditional surrender that the west demands China must force down Russia. Ukraine joins NATO and declares no neutrality.

“The important thing is for Scholz to be clear that any scenario involving some neutrality for Ukraine isn’t a workable option
Pothier said only full NATO membership for Ukraine could secure a lasting peace, rather than Putin’s demand of “neutrality.”
 

_killuminati_

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I agree. I would be incredibly surprised if the value of India's merchandise exports surpasses that of Vietnam within the next 20 years. A small, hard-working nation of 100 million can easily outmuscle a large, lazy nation of 1.4 billion.
When the British came to the Indian subcontinent (as conquerors) in 1757, the local population was ~180 million. 200 years later, when they left, after conquering and occupying the entire subcontinent, the local population was 390 million. During this entire time, the British occupation force never exceeded 126,000, with 61,000 being non-combatants.
 

Maikeru

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When the British came to the Indian subcontinent (as conquerors) in 1757, the local population was ~180 million. 200 years later, when they left, after conquering and occupying the entire subcontinent, the local population was 390 million. During this entire time, the British occupation force never exceeded 126,000, with 61,000 being non-combatants.
It's all explained in this book:

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BoraTas

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I think what he was trying to say is that Turks and Iranians are highly intelligent and academically-inclined, which, based on my experience, is true. There are many Iranians in the technical departments of virtually every well-regarded university in the West. Also, if I remember correctly, Middle East Technical University in Turkey is one of the most prestigious universities in the Middle East.
Maybe compared to rest of the Middle East. The current Turkish Govt doesn't take education seriously.
 

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And we finally found out why Scholz is in China. I hope he brought along his squeaky red nose. Time to use your “leverage” to make China cease trading relations with Russia and force an unconditional Russian surrender.

Their first term of the unconditional surrender that the west demands China must force down Russia. Ukraine joins NATO and declares no neutrality.
Scholz can close the barn door all he wants. But the horse bolted a long time ago.

It's all explained in this book:

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More Indians should know their history.

British empire killed 165 million Indians in 40 years: How colonialism inspired fascism​

A scholarly study found that British colonialism caused approximately 165 million deaths in India from 1880 to 1920, while stealing trillions of dollars of wealth. The global capitalist system was founded on European imperial genocides, which inspired Adolf Hitler and led to fascism.
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New paradigm just dropped: now advocating trade with China = bowing to China.

At the verge of complete Russian victory:
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Foreigners praising Chinese infrastructures, nuff said.
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4Runner

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According to the above article, this "position of strength," they have over China is still like gospel to many Western people.

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After 3 decades living in the US and lots of NYT/WP/WSJ/Bloomberg subscriptions, I take things like "position of strength", "not democracy", "2nd largest economy", "they are cheaper but with lesser quality", "communist party" as synonymous to racism, whenever those terms appear in the same sentence with "China". I can be as mad or disappointed as I could possibly be in the past, but nowadays I just laugh it off. Along this line, whenever I see or hear politicians or pundits speaking on anti-racism or equal-opportunity, I just laugh and life is going on.

Olaf Scholz is visiting China now so that he wants to keep up with today's Chinese in general and Xi in particular.

Blinken called Wang last week because people on earth know that Netanyahu wants to drag US into bombing Iran and that is the hottest potato in Biden's hands right now all the way to the general election.

Yellen was in China 2 weeks ago because she wanted to take temperature of the Chinese economic leaders and where they are heading in terms of advanced manufacturing and bond purchases.

Rumors are that Macron and Meloni are in queue of visiting Beijing soon.

So I guess those white people were, are or will be bringing their respective positions of strength to the famous Beijing gourmet food streets.
 
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siegecrossbow

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Scholz can close the barn door all he wants. But the horse bolted a long time ago.


More Indians should know their history.

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New paradigm just dropped: now advocating trade with China = bowing to China.

At the verge of complete Russian victory:
6RXLoVp.gif


Foreigners praising Chinese infrastructures, nuff said.
fF8J32W.gif

Chinese liberals are stupid. We get it. No need to post on the subject every three days.
 
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