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chgough34

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FriedRiceNSpice said:
Do you need someone to show you global data on math/science test scores and academic achievement between students in China and India? Perhaps you should Google it yourself first.
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Wrong cohort. The proper reference frame would be US Asians - test scores aren’t disaggregated but I would highly doubt they’d be higher for Chinese-Americans than Asian Indian-Americans since Indian Americans have higher college attainment rates than Chinese-Americans.

I broadly agree with the main thrust of the statement that Chinese-Americans are a high performing cohort but the ethnic chauvinism and exaggerations are all a bit much lol.
 
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chgough34 said:
Wrong cohort. The proper reference frame would be US Asians - test scores aren’t disaggregated but I would highly doubt they’d be higher for Chinese-Americans than Asian Indian-Americans since Indian Americans have higher college attainment rates than Chinese-Americans.

I broadly agree with the main thrust of the statement that Chinese-Americans are a high performing cohort but the ethnic chauvinism and exaggerations are all a bit much lol.
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Extrapolation from imperfect data is the best we can do. US Indians vs US Chinese; can't do it because your country considers all Asians in the same category. So what? We're supposed to assume they're the same because there's no direct data? How simple-minded.

This post already shows differences in the UK between the different Chinese and Indians; no real difference in educational environment between the UK and US:

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Asian and Chinese aren’t coextensive. ~25% of US Asians are Chinese and Asian Indians (another ~25% of US Asians) are a fairly high performing cohort as well. Your just presenting evidence the 1965 Immigration and Nationality Act selects on educational performance with respect to Asian...
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Then of course, there is a plethora of data for how Chinese and Indians perform in their natural environment. And also, I showed you that basically all the kids who make it to the math Olympiad for the "US" team are Chinese.

Indians may have higher college attainment, but they are also more inclined to use their English skills to progress rather than the Chinese, who use our STEM skills. We all use what we got.
 
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Iranian-Americans would probably be up there as well... Though in terms for cultural disposition for academic excellence, I'd say there tends to be more cultural "baggage" with Indian-Americans than with most East Asian Americans. Which can get in the way of academic achievement in my opinion. Though, some of the smartest people I know in my personal life are Indian-Americans though. Honestly though I can't tell who's more disproportionatelly represented in high-paying jobs, high-achievement careers, East Asians or Indians.

Importantly, US Anti-Immigrant sentiments andr acism are almost never targeted at these high-peforming cohorts. Those tend to be extreme exceptions due to political or cultural circumstances.
 
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If he googled the data before posting his imaginary version of it, it wouldn't be him writing. This is @chgough34 :

"Well, your data shows that Asians are performing better as a group but Chinese are only part of it, so there's Korean, Japanese, Indian, Bangladeshi, Indonesian, etc... So basically, if we take those scores and make them the top scoring 75% of the Asian ethnicity, and then we put the Chinese scores at the bottom 25%, and then we double the total number, which is adding 68%-168% (doesn't matter which since they're the same number; if you see 168% being written, that's just antiquated mathematical nomenclature for 68%) in pure full scores, then average out the Chinese scores, we can extrapolate by the equation X^3=Y(f)sum of(X,Y,Z,A,B,C)/3X^2 where X is represented in a series as E[X], that the Chinese scores are actually lower ranking than all ethnic groups, hence not every single Chinese person could have been tutured in CalcBC since middle school.... Right? Am I right? Somebody tell me I'm right. Yall weren't all tutored in Calc BC since middle school, right? Totally, what a joke... Seriously, please tell me that you were kidding when you said that."
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Hey hey, Indians are great at math, right below Chinese. No way this guy is Indian given how poor his math is.
 
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Wait, what purpose is there for comparing academic achievement between Chinese American and Indian American? In terms of economic trajectory, the relevant metrics should be academic performance for Chinese in China, Americans (including Chinese American and Indian American) in the US, and Indians in India. What other purpose does comparing Chinese American to Indian Chinese achieve other than to extrapolate the metrics above!?!?!?
 
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Anyone living and working in America or the West can attest to how bad "real" inflation is. If you just ignore the propaganda and "published figures" flooding the "information" landscape, rent has increased by 25-50%, grocery bills have gone up to record levels, utility bills have gone up to record levels, education/tuition costs have gone up to record levels, healthcare costs have gone up to record levels, etc. The only people who have kept up with inflation are those who have seen their incomes increase by ~25-50% over the last few years. My partner and I are lucky we fall into that category, but we know that this is not true for 90%+ of Americans, let alone Westerners. Not to mention most major employers have a ton of restructuring/downsizing plans coming down the pipeline for the coming year.

The blame for this lays at the feet of multiple American and Western regimes, across consecutive administrations regardless of party. They have been so neurotic about pushing their anti-China schemes as hard as possible that they have shit the bed when it comes to the economy.
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FriedRiceNSpice said:
Wait, what purpose is there for comparing academic achievement between Chinese American and Indian American? In terms of economic trajectory, the relevant metrics should be academic performance for Chinese in China, Americans (including Chinese American and Indian American) in the US, and Indians in India. What other purpose does comparing Chinese American to Indian Chinese achieve other than to extrapolate the metrics above!?!?!?
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Because most “Asian” data isn’t disaggregated so trying to extrapolate Chinese from “Asian” is quite difficult
 
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chgough34 said:
Because most “Asian” data isn’t disaggregated so trying to extrapolate Chinese from “Asian” is quite difficult
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Only if you're selectively blind. For the 3rd time:

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Asian and Chinese aren’t coextensive. ~25% of US Asians are Chinese and Asian Indians (another ~25% of US Asians) are a fairly high performing cohort as well. Your just presenting evidence the 1965 Immigration and Nationality Act selects on educational performance with respect to Asian...
www.sinodefenceforum.com
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