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Brigadier
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I get you disagree with me from time to time, but what are you trying to prove here?

Okay, Lake Changjin made alot of money thanks to the gargantuam size of the Chinese market and patriotism. How many non-Chinese have seen that movie? Do film fans around the world talk about Lake Changjin the same way they do Parasite? How many international awards has Lake Changjin been nominated for?

As for video games, do I need to say anything in a year where Japan came out with Elden Ring and Legend of Zelda: TOTK?
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Reporter: Wolf Warrior only had a big box office because of the large Chinese market.

Wu Jing: Chinese money isn't money?

If Parasite was so good, how come it couldn't compete in the Chinese market?

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Zelda tears of the kingdom revenue: $0.7 billion. Still much smaller than Genshin.

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Your entire Zelda franchise over 36 years is smaller than Genshin at only $3.4 billion.

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The Legend of Zelda franchise has made over $3.4 billion.
(Source: TitleMax, TheGamer)

The franchise has been around for 36 years.

The franchise has a total of 29 games.

This number includes original games, re-releases, spinoffs, and remakes.
 

sndef888

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I'm pretty sure that the diaspora is much more Christian than mainland China.

Chinese Americans: 31% Christian.

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Taiwan: 4% Christian.

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Hong Kong: 16% Christian

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Mainland China: 2% Christian

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Well, what I said about viewing mainlanders as "alien" is simply my personal experience.

I'm a cultural follower of Chinese religion, and I had friends from the mainland who looked down on Chinese religion, calling it stupid superstition and refusing to step anywhere near a temple. (yet follow Christianity)

When you put someone in these shoes, they'll definitely view the mainlander differently from fellow countrymen who still pray at Chinese temples, even if they don't really believe in it. They'll start thinking, hey, maybe we "Chinese" aren't that similar afterall.
 

taxiya

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I'm a cultural follower of Chinese religion, and I had friends from the mainland who looked down on Chinese religion, calling it stupid superstition and refusing to step anywhere near a temple. (yet follow Christianity)
Your friend is very special (in the minority). You should expand your scope of friendship to know more mainlanders, but I think that would be difficult since you don't live in mainland China.

Majority mainlanders are not specifically looking down on Chinese religions, but skeptical of all religions. Since a very large portion of oversea Chinese (including yourself) are religious, mainlanders are alien one way or the other.

When you put someone in these shoes, they'll definitely view the mainlander differently from fellow countrymen who still pray at Chinese temples, even if they don't really believe in it.
Mainlanders are citizen of PRC, those someone are not really "fellow countrymen". Their view has no more or less meaning than a Caucasian, African or whoever foreigners.

They'll start thinking, hey, maybe we "Chinese" aren't that similar afterall.
They got this right. Chinese are member of the Chinese state. Others are Americans, Canadians, Europeans whose ancestors came from China, JUST like Caucasian Americans' ancestors came from Europe, they are all Americans.

I think it has passed the time when both people in China and people of Chinese ancestry outside of China to drop the fantacy of "Chinese kinship". It was never something in the history of China. It was only a thing created in the 1900s copied from the west, in which race/ethnicity is something across political border.
 

daifo

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Also technology while matter, it isn't everything alexander nevsky (1938) by sergei eisenstein still widely studied even though the costume is made from cardbox. That's why i said make instituion specify to learn about filmmaking and creating experiment, it's like research institution but for film and entertainment. The private studio can take care when in come to popularity.

As for lining up, western director widely study soviet film and praise them. Hell george lucas went as far as saying soviet artist has more creative freedom and akira kurosawa literally said the soviet film prevent him from suicide.

What i want to say is china should combine the strength of hollywood and soviet. Hollywood strength is in term of marketing, distribution and making popular culture while the soviet strength in term of cinematography and film technique

Those film techniques are outdated for our 2 second attention spans. From what i can remember, pre-2000 prc film and tv were pretty terrible. They only got better once they started co-productions with taiwan/hk which were influence by the west/free-market techniques rather than communist/state led techniques.
 

FriedButter

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Not really news but Twitter logo is changing to X Corp. Would be amusing if Twitter name gets changed to X Corp as well.

Musk announces Twitter logo change​


Twitter may discard its iconic bird logo as soon as Monday in favor of one reflecting the new X Corp brand, the platform’s CEO Elon Musk announced on Sunday.

“And soon we shall bid adieu to the twitter brand and, gradually, all the birds,” Musk tweeted on Sunday, clarifying that: “If a good enough X logo is posted tonight, we’ll make go live [sic] worldwide tomorrow.”

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pmc

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Indeed, talking to Chinese who grew up during that period, everyone basically agreed that Hollywood played a significant role in creating the image of the West as a superior culture and civilization, with better ideals and technological wonders. But Hollywood was successful because the West was genuinely hegemonic during that time. As their hegemony declines, we will see much more interest in China's own culture and traditions, as people become no longer convinced that the Western way is the only way.
Bollywood viewership exceed Hollywood and there stars well publicized in Mideast and certain other countries. in internet age followers are not much less.
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It is like saying soft power is derived from hard power. while it should be soft power that should influence.
When i posted about Russian director Alexander Sokurov there was link about his School in city of Nalchik. now that city at that time was surrounded by Islamists. so any one want to learn best of Russian cinematography they will have to surround themselves by that culture. This process has decreased the talent pool as people who attracted to movie making profession may want to study in west instead and the product they produce will be more for local taste what is created. so it is by choice.

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Could you give a hint about what you’d like to do next?

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My next film will be about contemporary North Caucasus, the region in Russia I come from, and probably will be a local language film.



Q. What’s something you learned from Alexander Sokurov?

A.
He influenced my filmmaking in every way. From the most fundamental things – Sokurov taught me and my friends to read, and discover literature; he taught us to watch great films, to appreciate the art of filmmaking and most importantly he taught me to think as a filmmaker. I cannot overstate his influence on me.
 

taxiya

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I think the PRC's policies attacking religion in the early years only to backtrack in the 2000s severely hurt Chinese culture.

It led to the demise of Chinese folk religion / Chinese buddhism (which hurt cultural ties with the diaspora) and the rise of Christianity.

It's a phenomenon that's so bad that many Chinese use "jesus" for figure of speech in daily life, instead of something like "老天爷" or "佛祖". In many Chinese movies and shows, scenes with religion also often use christian imagery rather than traditional Chinese religion.
No, PRC is not unique in suppressing religion. All Chinese dynasties have tried to "suppress" any folk religion that is not in line with the state. Shang dynasty was heavily religious in the similar way as the Aztec (human sacrifice, Shaman religion), the following Zhou dynasty removed the practice. Qin suppressed everything except legalism. The following Han installed confucianism as the state ideology (together with legalism) which lasted to 1900s. During that 2000 years, the state has supressed all sorts of religions whichever was percieved in threatening the state power.

Read this
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These are the three times when buddhism was the receiving end. Note, buddhism were practiced by many emperors of the three dynasties , but whenever the emperors sensed a threat, they don't hasitate to supress their "own" religion.

There are also Taosim being supressed, search for it.

Also read the history of folk religion of "white lotus", the Ming and Qing dynasties were not tolerate either.

Religions regardless foreign or Chinese are part of Chinese history and have lots of impact on Chinese culture, but they are not a defining part of Chinese culture. It is a appendix that is left untouched when it is not harmful, but will be removed if it got the body trouble.
 

TK3600

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Removing influence of religion is a good thing. Look at what these crazy folks doing in US politics.

Large part of Enlightenment era of western civilization is about curtailing the influence of religion, and is the foundation of rise of west. Using western religion as an example is poor.
 
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Reporter: Wolf Warrior only had a big box office because of the large Chinese market.

Wu Jing: Chinese money isn't money?

If Parasite was so good, how come it couldn't compete in the Chinese market?
If Chinese money was good enough, people wouldn't be debating how China could make their movies have the same reach Hollywood does and we wouldn't be having this discussion. If you think as long as Chinese movies are making enough money in China then Chinese movies are in a healthy state then more power to you, for others though that's clearly not the case.
Zelda tears of the kingdom revenue: $0.7 billion. Still much smaller than Genshin.
So because Genshin made a lot of money are you trying to say the title of video game hegemon belongs to China now? What has China released since Genshin? Meanwhile compare a single game to Japan's IP's stretching back to the 80s. Its not even a competition bro. I seriously don't know what point you're making with all this.
 
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