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gpt

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“at what point are we ready to let the algorithm start doing some things on its own that maybe we are or aren’t comfortable with.”

Well, if you start by stating that your enemy doesn’t really have morals, it makes sense to let the algorithm take care of it for the greater good.
 

Eventine

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China has 5000 years of culture and enough talents, and a super power. As a more superior cultural powerhouse, China learning anything culture from countries like US or Russia is a joke, especially US has no culture. China should take more pride in its cultute. Don't be like Lu Xun who wrote Chinese's culture as nothing more than Cannibalism. The reason why Chinese directors and authors so worship foreigners is because the work of Lu Xun are so influential.
Lu Xun's writing was important at the time, because the Qing was, in fact, an extremely decadent empire by the end of it, and Chinese society needed shock therapy to abandon its hopeless policies and values. The CCP used Lu Xun's ideology to reshape China, which was necessary because the level of corruption, decadence, and hubris at the end of the Qing was such that the elites were willing to sell out the country and the population to preserve their own privileges. You cannot move forward with that.

But I agree that it went too far in the other direction, though this was more a product of the 2000s than it was of anything that Lu Xun wrote. You have to remember that, while Mao praised Lu Xun, he never worshipped the West, and that until Deng's reforms, China was ideologically much more closer to Maoism than anything else. It wasn't Lu Xun but the flood of Western influence in the late 20th and early 21st centuries that created the conditions for West worship. We saw the exact same effect in Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, etc. so it definitely wasn't Lu Xun that did it.

Indeed, talking to Chinese who grew up during that period, everyone basically agreed that Hollywood played a significant role in creating the image of the West as a superior culture and civilization, with better ideals and technological wonders. But Hollywood was successful because the West was genuinely hegemonic during that time. As their hegemony declines, we will see much more interest in China's own culture and traditions, as people become no longer convinced that the Western way is the only way.
 

GZDRefugee

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Lu Xun's writing was important at the time, because the Qing was, in fact, an extremely decadent empire by the end of it, and Chinese society needed shock therapy to abandon its hopeless policies and values. The CCP used Lu Xun's ideology to reshape China, which was necessary because the level of corruption, decadence, and hubris at the end of the Qing was such that the elites were willing to sell out the country and the population to preserve their own privileges. You cannot move forward with that.

But I agree that it went too far in the other direction, though this was more a product of the 2000s than it was of anything that Lu Xun wrote. You have to remember that, while Mao praised Lu Xun, he never worshipped the West, and that until Deng's reforms, China was ideologically much more closer to Maoism than anything else. It wasn't Lu Xun but the flood of Western influence in the late 20th and early 21st centuries that created the conditions for West worship. We saw the exact same effect in Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, etc. so it definitely wasn't Lu Xun that did it.

Indeed, talking to Chinese who grew up during that period, everyone basically agreed that Hollywood played a significant role in creating the image of the West as a superior culture and civilization, with better ideals and technological wonders. But Hollywood was successful because the West was genuinely hegemonic during that time. As their hegemony declines, we will see much more interest in China's own culture and traditions, as people become no longer convinced that the Western way is the only way.
The decline in Chinese traveling to the west is ultimately a disaster because that was the best way to increase patriotism for China.

/jk
 

sndef888

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Lu Xun's writing was important at the time, because the Qing was, in fact, an extremely decadent empire by the end of it, and Chinese society needed shock therapy to abandon its hopeless policies and values. The CCP used Lu Xun's ideology to reshape China, which was necessary because the level of corruption, decadence, and hubris at the end of the Qing was such that the elites were willing to sell out the country and the population to preserve their own privileges. You cannot move forward with that.

But I agree that it went too far in the other direction, though this was more a product of the 2000s than it was of anything that Lu Xun wrote. You have to remember that, while Mao praised Lu Xun, he never worshipped the West, and that until Deng's reforms, China was ideologically much more closer to Maoism than anything else. It wasn't Lu Xun but the flood of Western influence in the late 20th and early 21st centuries that created the conditions for West worship. We saw the exact same effect in Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, etc. so it definitely wasn't Lu Xun that did it.

Indeed, talking to Chinese who grew up during that period, everyone basically agreed that Hollywood played a significant role in creating the image of the West as a superior culture and civilization, with better ideals and technological wonders. But Hollywood was successful because the West was genuinely hegemonic during that time. As their hegemony declines, we will see much more interest in China's own culture and traditions, as people become no longer convinced that the Western way is the only way.
I think the PRC's policies attacking religion in the early years only to backtrack in the 2000s severely hurt Chinese culture.

It led to the demise of Chinese folk religion / Chinese buddhism (which hurt cultural ties with the diaspora) and the rise of Christianity.

It's a phenomenon that's so bad that many Chinese use "jesus" for figure of speech in daily life, instead of something like "老天爷" or "佛祖". In many Chinese movies and shows, scenes with religion also often use christian imagery rather than traditional Chinese religion.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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I think the PRC's policies attacking religion in the early years only to backtrack in the 2000s severely hurt Chinese culture.

It led to the demise of Chinese folk religion (which hurt cultural ties with the diaspora) and the rise of Christianity.

It's a phenomenon that's so bad that many Chinese use "jesus" for figure of speech, instead of "老天爷". In many Chinese movies, scenes with religion also use christianity rather than Chinese folk religion.
People use 耶稣 instead of 老天爷???

Diaspora follows Chinese religions??????
 

sndef888

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People use 耶稣 instead of 老天爷???

Diaspora follows Chinese religions??????
I see it all the time. People saying “耶稣来了也救不了你” etc
More people take Christianity as a "serious" religion compared to folk religion/buddhism which is ridiculed as superstition.


I guess I didn't mean diaspora specifically but also places like Taiwan and Hong Kong. Malaysian Chinese is a huge example of diaspora following Chinese religion though.

I think if Chinese religion didn't falter, we would see much closer ties between these people and the mainland and even Australia/US/UK Chinese. The attacking of religion led to a severe degradation of the "cultural glue" that connected them to the mainland, and led to many people in these places viewing mainlanders as "alien" to them.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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I see it all the time. People saying “耶稣来了也救不了你” etc
More people take Christianity as a "serious" religion compared to folk religion/buddhism which is ridiculed as superstition.


I guess I didn't mean diaspora specifically but also places like Taiwan and Hong Kong. Malaysian Chinese is a huge example of diaspora following Chinese religion though.

I think if Chinese religion didn't falter, we would see much closer ties between these people and the mainland and even Australia/US/UK Chinese. The attacking of religion led to a severe degradation of the "cultural glue" that connected them to the mainland, and led to many people in these places viewing mainlanders as "alien" to them.
I'm pretty sure that the diaspora is much more Christian than mainland China.

Chinese Americans: 31% Christian.

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Taiwan: 4% Christian.

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Hong Kong: 16% Christian

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Mainland China: 2% Christian

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I get you disagree with me from time to time, but what are you trying to prove here?

Okay, Lake Changjin made alot of money thanks to the gargantuam size of the Chinese market and patriotism. How many non-Chinese have seen that movie? Do film fans around the world talk about Lake Changjin the same way they do Parasite? How many international awards has Lake Changjin been nominated for?

As for video games, do I need to say anything in a year where Japan came out with Elden Ring and Legend of Zelda: TOTK?
 
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