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[mishaknive]

The chinese can learn cinematography from the soviet, plenty of american hollywood actually inspired by the soviet cinematography, for example lord of the ring battle scene got inspired by alexander nevsky. the reason i cited soviet film is because they are free and good in general, no need to pay or pirate them. The soviet film influenced cinema in general (from battleship potenkim to tarkovsky film, etc.)

that's why I said established institution to specifiy about experiment, when in come to lining up, private studio can learn from the experiment and make film to cater general audience. The soviet in general make good art film, film that the purpose of the film is art not to cater general audience.

How would contacting old Soviet filmmakers, depending on how many are left, help when they themselves have hardly contributed much to modern Russia's own film industry? Plus its not like people around the world were lining up to watch Soviet movies the same way they did for The Godfather.

Regardless of who China learns from, be it Korea, Japan, or America, the most important thing is the country needs to up its production values and write better scripts. The former will take a while since its an issue with technology.

Also technology while matter, it isn't everything alexander nevsky (1938) by sergei eisenstein still widely studied even though the costume is made from cardbox. That's why i said make instituion specify to learn about filmmaking and creating experiment, it's like research institution but for film and entertainment. The private studio can take care when in come to popularity.

As for lining up, western director widely study soviet film and praise them. Hell george lucas went as far as saying soviet artist has more creative freedom and akira kurosawa literally said the soviet film prevent him from suicide.

What i want to say is china should combine the strength of hollywood and soviet. Hollywood strength is in term of marketing, distribution and making popular culture while the soviet strength in term of cinematography and film technique

 

[Eventine]

Excellent news, all the students in China's militarily linked universities should be 1st rate. This effectively prevents brain-drain to the US. As for Japan, how many Chinese want to study in Japan?

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Japan probably figures it isn't ahead of China in much of anything, to begin with, so Chinese students in Japan could actually be an opportunity for the Japanese to conduct their own industrial espionage on China.

As for the US, it's certainly got more to lose, but will lose it regardless - closing its doors to Chinese intellectuals simply makes it faster because it means it's got that much less talent and money to draw upon.

 

[Deleted member 23272]

The chinese can learn cinematography from the soviet, plenty of american hollywood actually inspired by the soviet cinematography, for example lord of the ring battle scene got inspired by alexander nevsky. the reason i cited soviet film is because they are free and good in general, no need to pay or pirate them. The soviet film influenced cinema in general (from battleship potenkim to tarkovsky film, etc.)

that's why I said established institution to specifiy about experiment, when in come to lining up, private studio can learn from the experiment and make film to cater general audience. The soviet in general make good art film, film that the purpose of the film is art not to cater general audience.

If its simply a matter of taking inspiration, most Chinese film schools already for sure have Soviet movies in their curriculum, not to mention Chinese already got their fill of Soviet movies during the Mao era, so I don't know what simply watching more Soviet movies is supposed to do.

Cultivating a talent pool and technical resources to the extent Hollywood has is not an easy nut to crack, especially when not even Japan and Korea for all their pop cultural success could.

 

[Eventine]

How would contacting old Soviet filmmakers, depending on how many are left, help when they themselves have hardly contributed much to modern Russia's own film industry? Plus its not like people around the world were lining up to watch Soviet movies the same way they did for The Godfather.

Regardless of who China learns from, be it Korea, Japan, or America, the most important thing is the country needs to up its production values and write better scripts. The former will take a while since its an issue with technology.

As much as I think this is a great opportunity for China to develop its movie industry, I have to admit that I'd rather they focus their efforts on the future of entertainment, which in my opinion, isn't in movies.

The global film industry was worth $77 billion in 2022. By contrast, the global gaming market size was valued at $249 billion in 2022 and is anticipated to grow to $665 billion by 2030. That's almost ten times the size of the film industry.

Not only that, but young people play games. New generations across the Global South are growing up not going to the movies, but playing video games on their phones and watching short-format video content from services like Tik Tok. You want to influence them and expand Chinese entertainment power? Then you need to control those domains, NOT films.

It is therefore of critical importance that China 1) continues to control the short-format video content market via services like Tik Tok, 2) stop censoring and restricting video games as much and help developers go overseas, and 3) be a fast follower or leader in new media formats like AR and VR.

Now, I'm not saying China should get its young addicted to video games again - that price is too high to pay for entertainment power. But it'd be great if Chinese companies can continue to use the domestic market as a source for development while their actual target is the Global South. The Chinese government should be encouraging Chinese gaming companies to expand internationally, and provide better support at home. Deal with addiction in a different way, not by banning the entire industry.

 

[mishaknive]

If its simply a matter of taking inspiration, most Chinese film schools already for sure have Soviet movies in their curriculum, not to mention Chinese already got their fill of Soviet movies during the Mao era, so I don't know what simply watching more Soviet movies is supposed to do.

Cultivating a talent pool and technical resources to the extent Hollywood has is not an easy nut to crack, especially when not even Japan and Korea for all their pop cultural success could.

Not really, have you watched chinese movie, many of them trying so hard to imitate hollywood rather than creating it's own identity, also not many chinese know and watch soviet film, the sino soviet split happened so regular chinese people don't watch soviet cinema.

Also, nobody in here talk about chinese animation which has direct soviet influence (in the form of shanghai animation film studio) and the studio achieving success in 50s - mid 60s, 80s-90s, dormant in 2000-2010s, will release movies in 2024. The studio also tend to release unique art film because of the studio philosophy. Here's their upcoming movies.

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[mishaknive]

As much as I think this is a great opportunity for China to develop its movie industry, I have to admit that I'd rather they focus their efforts on the future of entertainment, which in my opinion, isn't in movies.

The global film industry was worth $77 billion in 2022. By contrast, the global gaming market size was valued at $249 billion in 2022 and is anticipated to grow to $665 billion by 2030. That's almost ten times the size of the film industry.

Not only that, but young people play games. New generations across the Global South are growing up not going to the movies, but playing video games on their phones and watching short-format video content from services like Tik Tok. You want to influence them and expand Chinese entertainment power? Then you need to control those domains, NOT films.

It is therefore of critical importance that China 1) continues to control the short-format video content market via services like Tik Tok, 2) stop censoring and restricting video games as much and help developers go overseas, and 3) be a fast follower or leader in new media formats like AR and VR.

Now, I'm not saying China should get its young addicted to video games again - that price is too high to pay for entertainment power. But it'd be great if Chinese companies can continue to use the domestic market as a source for development while their actual target is the Global South. The Chinese government should be encouraging Chinese gaming companies to expand internationally, and provide better support at home. Deal with addiction in a different way, not by banning the entire industry.

I would argue when in come to video game, it's kinda success to small degree. I mean the most popular video game in SEA is mobile legends a chinese mobile game MOBA. Genshin also popular in SEA because it is free to play and good graphic and music.

 

[AssassinsMace]

Not good. This means Hollywood will drop trying to appease China and will go full propaganda mode. Unless Chinese films are as global and influential as Hollywood films then this isn't not good news.

And lose all hope on any Hollywood movie ever being shown in China...? Hollywood is going to be spiteful just because Chinese moviegoers aren't following American tastes...? Hollywood erased the dash lines in the Barbie movie just for the Philippines. How much money do they make in the Philippines box office? More than China on a bad day...? I doubt it. South Korean and Japanese audiences are more inclined to watch domestic movies than Hollywood these days. I read that Oppenheimer is not being shown in Japan.

 

[Mcsweeney]

It would surprise me if Japan won't show Oppenheimer just because it's about the bomb. I mean Japan made two big video games called 1942 and 1943: The Battle of Midway where you play as an American fighter pilot blowing up thousands of Japanese planes and ships.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

How would contacting old Soviet filmmakers, depending on how many are left, help when they themselves have hardly contributed much to modern Russia's own film industry? Plus its not like people around the world were lining up to watch Soviet movies the same way they did for The Godfather.

Regardless of who China learns from, be it Korea, Japan, or America, the most important thing is the country needs to up its production values and write better scripts. The former will take a while since its an issue with technology.

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Well I did say later that even Japan and Korea haven't exactly cracked that nut of global entertainment either. Squid Game and Parasite are more succesful than any Mainland Chinese production has ever been, but still turned out to be one hit wonders that hardly heralded Korea's ability to go toe to toe with Hollywood and HBO. Meanwhile about the only entertainment area where Japan is hegemonic is video games. Their movies have been dead ever since Akira Kurosawa kicked the bucket, let's not even speak of their live action dramas, and anime still remains a niche carrying the stigma of being for nerds only.