Germany orders 4 6800 ton Frigates for 3.4 bln Dollar

ger_mark

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Antrieb:
CODLAG 32000kw, max. Geschw. 26kn
Seeausdauer:
21 Tage
Einsatzverdrängung:
6800 t (O-Ton Zeitung: "größte Fregatte der Welt...") Länge: 143m, Breite: 18,3m Tiefgang: 5m
Bewaffnung:
8x Harpoon
1x VLS für Luft-Luft-Flugkörper
2X RAM
1x 127mm Oto Melara
2x 27mm MLG
5x 12,7mm HMG Oto Melara
2x 12,7 mm sMG
4x MASS
zusätzl.
2x MH-90
4x 33-ft-Boote
Unterwasserdrohnen
Stammbesatzung:
100
 

tphuang

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Antrieb:
CODLAG 32000kw, max. Geschw. 26kn
Seeausdauer:
21 Tage
Einsatzverdrängung:
6800 t (O-Ton Zeitung: "größte Fregatte der Welt...") Länge: 143m, Breite: 18,3m Tiefgang: 5m
Bewaffnung:
8x Harpoon
1x VLS für Luft-Luft-Flugkörper
2X RAM
1x 127mm Oto Melara
2x 27mm MLG
5x 12,7mm HMG Oto Melara
2x 12,7 mm sMG
4x MASS
zusätzl.
2x MH-90
4x 33-ft-Boote
Unterwasserdrohnen
Stammbesatzung:
100
do you mind to translate this? some of the specs are pretty obvious, but some of the other ones are just not.
 

planeman

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Excellent "littorial" capabilities, pitty they ditched the MRLS and 155mm gun for development cost reasons. Definately gives the LCS a run for its money, far more capable in some regards.
 

Pointblank

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Excellent "littorial" capabilities, pitty they ditched the MRLS and 155mm gun for development cost reasons. Definately gives the LCS a run for its money, far more capable in some regards.

They are replacing the old Bremen class frigates, which are aging. They seem to lack a point air defense system besides the twin RAM's, as the Bremen's have Sea Sparrow's besides the twin RAM's.
 

Scratch

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specs in english:

propulsion: CODLAG 32000kw, max. speed 26kts
time on sea (until replenishment is needed): 21 days
displacement: 6800 t (newspaper: "biggest frigate in the world...")
length: 143m, beam: 18,3m darft: 5m
armament:
8x Harpoon
1x VLS for AAMs (they most probably mean SAMs; german record would point to ESSM/ maybe SM-2, we'll see what 7-8 years from now might be an option), 2X RAM
1x 127mm Oto Melara, 2x 27mm MLG (=Marine Leicht Geschütz) light naval gun, [basicliy a Mauser BK27 like in Tornado EF].
5x 12,7mm HMG Oto Melara, 2x 12,7 mm sMG
4x MASS
zusätzl.
2x MH-90, 4x 33-ft-botes, UUVs
standart crew:100, it is to have additional accomodations for SpecialForces.

Though a 155mm gun or MLRS would have given it a nice punch, the 127mm also does pretty well. We need those new ships and for the few € we spent, it's a pretty good design.
Intended for anti-terorrism and patrolls against asymmetries it is pretty well suited. Eight Harpoons and that gun will also be pretty good against more conventional naval adversaries.
For heavier in land attacks we'll have the Braunschweigs' RBS15 MK3 missiles.

So yesterday the budget committee of the Bundestag approved the contract to aqquire four of these ships.

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ger_mark

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Specifications:

Propulsion: CODLAG 32000kw
endurance at sea 21 days
operating range 4,000 nautical miles at 18 knots in AnDiNot-mode
maximum speed 26 knots

Dimensions:
Length 148.00 m overall length
Breadth 18.50 m main deck
Displacement: 6800 ton.
Deep: 5m

Weapons:
Harpoon (two four-cell Harpoon missile launchers)
VLS Mk41 48-cell launcher (SM-2 and ESSM (Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile)
2X 21 RAM (Rolling Airframe Missiles)
1x 127mm Oto Melara
2x 27mm MLG (Light Naval Gun System)
5x 12,7mm RCHMG Oto Melara (Remote Controlled Heavy Machine Gun)
2x 12,7 mm sMG
4x MASS (Multi Ammunition Softkill System)
2x MH-90 helicopters
4x 33-ft-boats
Underwater operated vehicles
Accommodation: 120 + 50 Naval special forces + 20 Naval air wing crew

Source: Naval Aviation
 

Jeff Head

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Specifications:

Propulsion: CODLAG 32000kw
endurance at sea 21 days
operating range 4,000 nautical miles at 18 knots in AnDiNot-mode
maximum speed 26 knots

Dimensions:
Length 148.00 m overall length
Breadth 18.50 m main deck
Displacement: 6800 ton.
Deep: 5m

Weapons:
Harpoon (two four-cell Harpoon missile launchers)
VLS Mk41 48-cell launcher (SM-2 and ESSM (Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile)
2X 21 RAM (Rolling Airframe Missiles)
1x 127mm Oto Melara
2x 27mm MLG (Light Naval Gun System)
5x 12,7mm RCHMG Oto Melara (Remote Controlled Heavy Machine Gun)
2x 12,7 mm sMG
4x MASS (Multi Ammunition Softkill System)
2x MH-90 helicopters
4x 33-ft-boats
Underwater operated vehicles
Accommodation: 120 + 50 Naval special forces + 20 Naval air wing crew

Source: Naval Aviation
These are going to be very powerful combatants. They will be as strong as most destroyers, and with AEGIS will procide significant area-coverage defense.

...and with significant littoral capability too. Sort of a mix between an AEGIS vessel, a littoral vessel, and a frigate.

With this new class, the Sachsen class, the Brandenberg class, and the Bremen class, the German Navy is building up a very modern, and very capable force. These four will make 23 very good vessels I believe between all four of those classes.
 

Scratch

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These are going to be very powerful combatants. They will be as strong as most destroyers, and with AEGIS will procide significant area-coverage defense.

...and with significant littoral capability too. Sort of a mix between an AEGIS vessel, a littoral vessel, and a frigate.

A 48 cell VLS would be a nice thing to have. Giving them the most powerfull AA loadout seen in our navy.
The gun will do a good job against vessels and especially land targets, too.
I hope as time goes by SM-6 and (VL)ASROC will be incorporated.
Finally, we get a real modern destroyer (A word better not to speak out loud in certain circles here :) ). Well, the Sachsens are at least really close.
BTW, a third replenishment ship of the 20.000t Berlin-class is also to join the fleet in the coming years.
I think after one of these ships did very well in the disaster relief ops after the Tsunami in SE Asia, the decision got fixed.
At first there were some "hopes" it could be close to a LPD. But then again this probably would have been too much. Adding even an amphib capability.

With this new class, the Sachsen class, the Brandenberg class, and the Bremen class, the German Navy is building up a very modern, and very capable force. These four will make 23 very good vessels I believe between all four of those classes.

Well, the F 125 is ment to gradually replace the Bremen class vessels from the mid of the next decade. Finally that means four of the eight vessels, wich were comissioned from 1982-'90 will be replaced. The Bremens were upgraded in the mid-90s and will see another upgrade procedure starting around right now. That means new 3D air search radar, new combat system from Thales and replacement of many subsystems. They will do some good service for another 10-15 years.
The Brandenburgs are also to be upgraded, I think with ESSM for example, starting in 2008. The Exocets are also to be replaced with land attack capable RBS15 Mk3.
Also, do not forget the Braunschweig korvettes wich will replace the FACs and give further good littoral and patrol capabilities.
However, I think it's sad the Polyphem-S concept was killed, this would have been a nice weapon for the K130s, or even the F125s, fitting their purpose.
 

Jeff Head

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A 48 cell VLS would be a nice thing to have. Giving them the most powerfull AA loadout seen in our navy.
The gun will do a good job against vessels and especially land targets, too.
I hope as time goes by SM-6 and (VL)ASROC will be incorporated.
Finally, we get a real modern destroyer (A word better not to speak out loud in certain circles here :) ). Well, the Sachsens are at least really close.

Well, the F 125 is ment to gradually replace the Bremen class vessels from the mid of the next decade. Finally that means four of the eight vessels, wich were comissioned from 1982-'90 will be replaced.
Well, based on the analysis that I do on the various AEGIS and AEGIS-like vessels at my:

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...the armaments on this vessel will vault it into 7th place, ahead of the Spanish AEGIS vessels, and the first AEGIS-like vessel to displace any actual AEGIS vessels with the full LR AAW AEGIS armament (The Nowegian vessel is really a ASW vessel with SR AAW defenses).
 
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