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Gauntlet

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BM? Never heard of that before...

I've only heard about the standard Su-35, and the brand new Su-35UB trainer.

Any links regarding the Su-35BM?
 

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Gauntlet said:
BM? Never heard of that before...

I've only heard about the standard Su-35, and the brand new Su-35UB trainer.

Any links regarding the Su-35BM?
this is all I got for it.
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improvements from su-35:
1. AL-41F1 engine
2. using sokol or irbis PAR
I bet there are other improvements too, but these are the most significant ones.
 

MIGleader

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this is all I got for it.
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improvements from su-35:
1. AL-41F1 engine
2. using sokol or irbis PAR
I bet there are other improvements too, but these are the most significant ones.

al-41...wouldnt a ws-10a do just fine? the al-41 seems tobe reserved for j-xx. definily a new radar though. niice info
 

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russian banks are empty!!!!
yep. the su-35 was already offered to venzuela

You might be thinking of Brazil. Venezuela bought 50 MiG-29's. Brazil's was offered the Su-35 for its F-X program, but it has since been put on halt. To date there are no successful export of the Su-35 that I'm aware of.
 

Chairman Hu

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ive heard of that too, was it 24 Su-35 for 700mil?

well anyways, does the Su-35 sound good for a frame to upgrade too?
 

MIGleader

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ive heard of that too, was it 24 Su-35 for 700mil?

well anyways, does the Su-35 sound good for a frame to upgrade too?

you cant upgrade an airframe. you can put on additional feature that may be taken from the su-35, but never upgrae an su-27 frame to su-35. the su-35 featured an exellent radar and avionics upgrade, hopefully, the chinese can do similar. the su-35 also featued two more hard points...since the engine will stay the sme, best lay off the extra wieight.
 

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MOSCOW, October 17 (RIA Novosti) - Russian aircraft manufacturer Sukhoi expects its cooperation with China to increase following the opening of its Beijing office Monday, the head of the company said.

"We intend to continue cooperation in supplying modernized Su-35 (Flanker) planes, in addition to other updated fourth-generation aircraft," Mikhail Pogosyan said at the opening ceremony.

He also said the maintenance and modernization of aircraft supplied to China would be conducted more efficiently now that the Beijing office was open.

According to Pogosyan, Sukhoi is interested in joint projects both in military and civil aviation and is diversifying its production and developing civil projects, such as the Russian Regional Jet (RRJ), the Su-80 general-purpose aircraft, and the Be-103 light amphibious plane.

Pogosyan said that although the company did not supply China with planes in 2005, the volume of after-sale maintenance in China more than doubled in 2005 as compared with 2004.

He said he expected maintenance services provided for clients in 10 countries would account for $200 million in 2005, compared with $100 million in 2004 and $15 million in 2003.

More than 300 Sukhoi fighters, primarily the SU-27K and Su-30SKM Flanker fighters, are currently being employed by China's armed forces as a result of 15 years of cooperation.
 

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an article on J-11B's upgrades

Looks like J-11B could be a half-decent multi-role fighter in the future with the increased payload.

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  以下纯属引用和个人推测,有错的地方大家当笑话吧,诸位大大们不要较真啊
  
  在歼11A取得一定进步后,相关研究单位继续展开歼11B型机的发展工作,综合考虑中国军方未来作战需要后,可认为A型机仅是作为一型验证性的过渡型号。B型机才是军方真正心仪的‘中式苏27’。总体性能上,B型机基本达到苏27SKM水平,当然在这其中它被赋予了更多的中国特色。
  
  相比早期引入的苏27SK和其后的苏30MKK,结合中国军方使用经验,B型机更强调多用途与全程参战能力。不妨认为,B型机正是苏27SK与苏30MKK一次中国式的结合物。
  
  机体结构上,B型机与其说是SK型的升级,不如说更象苏30MK的近亲。为增大航程和加强负载,中国人在俄国人的帮助下对B型机机体结构进行调整,垂尾和机翼进行了新的设计,起落架、中央形梁及相关结构得到加强或改进设计。垂尾与机翼在制造工艺上采用了新的复合材料与‘一体成型’技术。可以说在经历十多年艰难消化与A型机经验后,中国人终于能在B型机上采用按自己方式生产的一些重要部件。与苏27SK相比,歼11B增加了机内油箱的数量,负载提高到 7~7.5吨。有效航程提高15%~20%左右。根据中国空军要求,B型机将加装伸缩油管以具备空中加油能力,可以预见,中国军方在未来很可能从俄国购进一定数量的空中加油机。
  
  尽管中国空军倾向于将B型机作为一款多用途战斗轰炸机。但加强空战性能依然是中国空军重要考虑方向之一。在经过苏27SK与A型机的验证后,B型机将真正装载中国自行设计的FBW与新一代综合平显系统。这将使歼11B的空战性能有较大提高。同时,在B型机重量较苏27SK有增加之时,中国人雄心勃勃地希望能在新机型上使用自行研制的推力更强的发动机,但无疑这项计划在目前尚不成熟。
  
  在武器系统上,中国人将进行一次更大的跨越,即完全性的‘中国式体系’。在未来,或许B型机将会要求俄国人的武器对其进行兼容,而不在是中方武器如何兼容俄国体系。
  
  对维护性能,中国也根据自已的需要对B型机提出新的要求,这一度给设计工作带来麻烦,经过各方调整后,才最终在设计方与军方间得到权衡,必尽维护是双方技术能力综合的结果。据相关人士称,B型机较苏27SK的维护适便度提高了30%~40%。
  
  相比多用途作战性能的改进,歼11B恐怕将是中国第一款正式列装综合数据链体系的战斗机。以用于与苏30MKK配合形成一个相对独立的作战体系,以减少和弥补中国空中指挥能力的不足,这无疑将对周地区形成巨大威慑。而由歼11B引伸出的中国空军作战方式与战略的转变则更令人深思。
 
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