Future PLA combat aircraft composition

nemo

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per Totoro's 2030 projection

1. You need consider PLA's future budget. Assuming steady 7% economic growth, PLA's budget is going to be 2.7 times it's 2015 budget, assuming everything else is equal.

2. Shenyang's build is too little to sustain the company. I rather thought FC-31 is a clever way for Shenyang to present to PLAAF as a fait accompli when it finally get around to develop 4th gen replacement for J-10 -- would you rather spend more time and money to develop a new aircraft when you have something already off the shelf? But this is a pure conjecture, so I wouldn't insist on this. But Shenyang need something to sustain the company.
 

cloyce

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Applying new logic to future builds up to year 2030 i came to some new conclusions.
Assuming that tactical combat planes in active service with plaaf and planaf will not be over 30 years old, we should be seeing really only j7g (and upgraded e to g standard), jh7a and j8f/fr left, previous generation wise. That should be, if i am not mistaken, some 120ish j7g, 120ish j8f/fr and 200ish jh7a, attrition not withstanding.

Current production rate of some 60ish tactical combat planes per year would mean overall numbers would fall to around 1500. Again, that's without regular attrition due to accidents.

But with Chengdu aircraft corporation snagging both J20 and j10b projects, and with SAC investing in j16 and j15 and possibly having some variant of j31 later on, as well as expected jh7 class (possibly even some new jh7 successor), as those q5 planes are nearly obsolete and will need replacements and even jh7 themselves would need replacements themselves - i bring you the following table:

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Now, the list is pure speculation. Maybe j10b production won't be 30 a year. Maybe it will peak at 24 per year. In that case, some 55ish less j10b would be made for attrited total of 710-ish j10 or grand total of 2290 tactical combat planes.
The list assumes fairly small j31 production (lets say just for the navy). Mind you, this does not mean that SAC doesn't produce fc-31 for export at the same production lines. But lets assume j31 production doubles because, say, planaf wants to get rid of their older ground based planes with j31 variant as well. 24 per year peak for j31 would result in 70 or so more j31 produced for attrited total of 2400ish planes for the whole chinese air forces.
j20 production may also be higher, reaching 24 or so per year. That's 40 more in total or perhaps 2380 planes.

Of course, various variations are possible. So totals may range from less than 2300 to some 2450.

Then there's speculation about volume of jh7 production and its successor. Table assumed all remaining q5 to be replaced by jh7b, then the successor replacing early jh7.

Comparing these figures with todays figures: 750-900 j7 (all j7, including jj7 variants, assuming all regiments are up to strength and no planes are in reserve); 250ish j8 (including recce variants) 420ish flanker variants, 300ish j10, 250ish jh7, 200-250 q5 (including conversion trainers) for a total of 2070 - 2270

If one wanted to match current numbers in 2030, one would thus certainly assume less than 30 j10b produced per year. Perhaps even less than 20 jh7 produced per year. Maybe even j20 ramp-up would be even slower. Maybe jh7b successor would be produced at SAC, with j31 not entering chinese service, with XAC effectivelly ceasing tactical combat airplane production.

The table, as is, does seem a bit off, assuming larger production than necessary to upkeep current force levels. Then again, carrier borne planes may be added to today's force without PLANAF losing their ground based fighter component. To equip 4 carriers by 2030 increase of some 170ish planes may be realistic.


JH-7 will be replaced by multirole J-20, you dont need to invent a successor.
J-20 will also replace Flanker variant and J-8.

J-31 may replace J-10 and J-7.
 

latenlazy

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JH-7 will be replaced by multirole J-20, you dont need to invent a successor.
J-20 will also replace Flanker variant and J-8.

J-31 may replace J-10 and J-7.

J-20's design probably doesn't lend itself as an ideal strike platform.
 
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rhino123

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At 2030, I really don't think there will be anymore J7 (whatever variant) and J8... J-20 and J-31 will be the Hi-Lo combination, there might be some new fighter-bomber or dedicated short range bombers by then or ground strike package will be handed over to advance UCAV. Also I think we will be seeing navalized J-20 and J-31 at that point of time too.

I am also looking at a large fleet of Y-20 or its variants... together with enough air-refuelling platform and intelligence aircraft. Of course I think we will be seeing some variants of J-11/ J-16 or their variants still in service. J-10 might be navalized for their carriers.

Of course, all these are at assumption that China economic continue to have a healthy grow.
 
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Totoro

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If there won't be any j7 nor j8 in 2030., using the production table presented, overall force levels will be little under 2100 tactical combat aircraft (including conversion two seat combat capable trainers)
 

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Japan’s Asahi Shimbun was the first to publish a report on the successful test flight of J-18 at the beginning of 2013. It said that China began to develop its own catapult for the aircraft carrier it planed to build but lacked key technology to make such catapult; therefore, China scrapped its original plan for a carrier for horizontal taking off of aircrafts and began instead to develop VTOL aircrafts.
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Deino

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To admit ... Jane's getting worse from report to report !

Remember the report on that mysterious J-31-striker-version with canards that in fact was only a comparative configuration from a University !??Even more this usually mentioned "Tokyo-based Asahi Shimbun" is at least from what I know not the most reliable news source for Chinese military projects.

Deino
 

Deino

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The problem is not that I do not believe that the PLAAF/PLANAF would love to have such a type and even that it is maybe researching or even exploring the necessary technologies, but what I highly question is the reliability of these reports.

Since years we 've hear about this secret J-18 .... that IMO is simply a misunderstood J-16 and an uninformed Japanese reported mixed this simply, spiced it up with a VSTOL-capability and - voila - all we have is the legend of a super-secret VSTOL type secretly tested on a super-secret test-base and that all unveiled by a newspaper no-one ever connects with the unveiling of Chinese military hardware.

IMO this is simply a hoax !
 

Equation

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Although the report is sensationalize it points to a more important issue at hand. That is that China has the capability to continue research and development program on that J-18 "Red Eagle" VTOL stealth fighter jets.

Remember...IT'S ALL ABOUT THE PROGRAM.:D;)
 
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