Future of the J-7 (and derivatives) in 3rd world air force

Miragedriver

Brigadier
There are several J-7 posting already on Sinodefense, so I figured that one more wouldn’t make a difference.

In reading all the articles regarding the JF-17/FC-, and its wonderful capabilities, I started to contemplate why it is not selling like “hotcakes” (as the Americans would say). The aircraft is very capable and probable similar to a block 30 F-16 (this is just my opinion, not a fact).

Using my third world mind set. I see that many of the potential customers that could afford to by the aircraft are opting for surplus F-16 that are becoming available, or to a lesser extent the used MiG-29s. This places air forces on a budget (with the global economy crisis) in a position to look for a more economical means of replacing older aircraft, or as a placeholder until a more suitable replacement can be obtained.

The limited funds and resources usually available to the nation experiencing aging aircraft and a minimized budget, a multimillion-dollar weapon systems, many not be the answer. While it may be a status symbol for developing countries to have JF-17s, F-16s and MiG-29’ on their ramps, one has to question if these aircraft are proper for the job. More important is the question of whether the particular country has the industrial, educational, and technical base to support such high-technology aircraft.
So here is the question:

Do any of you see the potential of China marketing a single seat version of the JL-9, or developing the J-7MF type of aircraft for 3rd world nations that need to “fill the ranks” for to replace aging MiG-21 already in the fleet?
 

SteelBird

Colonel
Do any of you see the potential of China marketing a single seat version of the JL-9, or developing the J-7MF type of aircraft for 3rd world nations that need to “fill the ranks” for to replace aging MiG-21 already in the fleet?

Do the two types of aircraft ever exist?
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
Do the two types of aircraft ever exist?

Correct, the JL-9 exists in its two-seater version. However, the J-7MF never existed except for models and on paper.

Hypothetically the J-7MF could be developed, and the JL-9 single seat could be produced relatively quickly.
 

i.e.

Senior Member
"Do any of you see the potential of China marketing a single seat version of the JL-9, or developing the J-7MF type of aircraft for 3rd world nations that need to “fill the ranks” for to replace aging MiG-21 already in the fleet"

they have already done that it is called JF-17/FC-1.

Its an all metal airplane but with potential to do everything. poor man's Gripen if you will.
 

Vini_Vidi_Vici

Junior Member
probably the J7s currently in service are still too new, when they retire, FC-1 will start selling well. Afterall, FC-1 is just a heavily modified J-7, buying it as a replacement will be an easy adoption, since its parts and characteristics will be very similar to J7.
 

A.Man

Major
Chengfei needs to restart the J-7 line. One J-7 sale is one F-16, one Saab, one Mig-27, or one M-2000 less t in the world. J-7's can make a country with small GDP & defence butget still having a decent fighting airforce. If China keeps selling J-7's, F-35's & F-22 only good for rich boys. By the way, do you expect that Laos is going to fight with American F-22's?
 

Zahid

Junior Member
Afterall, FC-1 is just a heavily modified J-7, buying it as a replacement will be an easy adoption, since its parts and characteristics will be very similar to J7.

That is a tall claim indeed. I am afraid CAC would not be amused by this. All the effort that went into FC1 was just a making of a 'heavily' modified J7?

This has been discussed to death in other threads and other forums. Indian posters have bitten the dust every time. The thinking / philosophy behind Mig21 and FC1 might be similar, but there is nothing to support your conjecture at all.

What is the wisdom of spending time in useless daydreams about relevance of J7 in this era?
 

i.e.

Senior Member
Chengfei needs to restart the J-7 line. One J-7 sale is one F-16, one Saab, one Mig-27, or one M-2000 less t in the world. J-7's can make a country with small GDP & defence butget still having a decent fighting airforce. If China keeps selling J-7's, F-35's & F-22 only good for rich boys. By the way, do you expect that Laos is going to fight with American F-22's?

let's see as it is right now vanilla J-7 has no decent radar no range and no payload capability worth mentioning.

so it can't fire bvr, can't fire standoff missiles. and can't patrol long range. tough time hit anything at night or bad weather or anything one can't put an eye ball on it. and low speed and alttitude good luck hitting anything.

anything that needs J-7's speed and manueverability is by default way out its league. if you are sending j-7 up against anything potent you might as well pack and leave the country. 'caus some superpower wants a regime change.

only thing it can really do well is get some fighter jockey wanna be some supersonic time in good weather.

you are better off served with a lead-in trainer like K-8. even cheaper and lower operating cost and who knows may be your pilot is competent enough so he can start to wack some rebels with its rocket pods.
 

xcpyk

Just Hatched
Registered Member
"Do any of you see the potential of China marketing a single seat version of the JL-9, or developing the J-7MF type of aircraft for 3rd world nations that need to “fill the ranks” for to replace aging MiG-21 already in the fleet"

they have already done that it is called JF-17/FC-1.

Its an all metal airplane but with potential to do everything. poor man's Gripen if you will.
Do you mean the single seat version of the JL-9 is FC-1?
 

xcpyk

Just Hatched
Registered Member
"Do any of you see the potential of China marketing a single seat version of the JL-9, or developing the J-7MF type of aircraft for 3rd world nations that need to “fill the ranks” for to replace aging MiG-21 already in the fleet"

they have already done that it is called JF-17/FC-1.

Its an all metal airplane but with potential to do everything. poor man's Gripen if you will.
Do you mean the single seat version of the JL-9 is FC-1?
 
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