France to build new generation submarine for Pakistan

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    French cut for navy on sub deal

    Josy Joseph
    Sunday, February 19, 2006 02:25 IST



    NEW DELHI: If all goes well for French arms manufacturer DCN, it would be building Scorpene submarines for the Indian Navy and a new-generation submarine for Pakistan, side by side in the same shipyard.

    This scenario has caused alarm in the Indian security establishment, which is looking at ways to convey its concern to France as President Jacques Chirac arrives in New Delhi on Sunday evening for a three-day visit. Though the navy is reluctant to go on record, a senior officer said, “We will put forth our concerns.”

    DCN’s audacity in approaching the Pakistan Navy and offering a new generation of submarines within months of sealing the Rs13,000 crore Scorpene deal with India has not gone down well with New Delhi.

    Defence experts are keenly watching the upcoming visit of a Pakistani naval delegation, led by an admiral-rank officer, to the DCN shipyard at Cherbourg, where work on the Scorpenes has begun.

    The navy says there is not much it can do in the matter as both are “commercial deals” and cannot be prevented on any technical grounds. But it says it is “unethical” of DCN to have approached Pakistan so soon after closing the deal with India, and hopes Paris will prevent it from closing the deal.

    But such hopes may not amount to much. Uttam Datt, a Delhi high court advocate specialising in commercial litigation, said, “An exclusivity clause is very common in all commercial negotiations, more so in this kind of a contract, where the whole objective is to get superiority over your adversary. That advantage is lost if your adversary gets access to the same equipment.”

    Datt said that unless he saw the contract, he would not be able to comment on the success of the navy’s negotiators in inserting an exclusivity clause. “But on the face of it, the navy could have technically stopped DCN from supplying similar kind of machines to Pakistan at least for some time,” he said.

    DCN is no stranger to Pakistan, having supplied three Agosta 90B submarines to the country under a contract signed in 1994.

    The first of the Agosta class submarines was built in the same Cherbourg shipyard. The remaining two were being assembled in Karachi when 11 French engineers working on the project were killed in a terrorist attack in May 2002.

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    The French sure know how to make money. Anyway, new generation of subs? The subs will be diesel, but what new features will there be? My guess is new types of torpedoes, a better AIP system, LACM capability, and a better sonar system. What do you guys think?
     
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    Interesting, I wonder what's going to happen to the Agosta 90B deal then. Is Pakistan going to have to pay another full ToT for this new generation submarine on top of the existing payments for 90B?
     
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    Quite possibly. The French have handed out ToT's to both Pakistan and to India so I wouldn't be surprised if Pakistan takes this opportunity once again. Above that, the third Agosta 90B submarine will most likely be inducted in 2007 since its is being fitted with the AIP system.
     
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    what's the name for this new generation submarine ?

    DCN says on it's website that it offers 'integrated solutions'

    Does that mean that this submarine will be integrated into

    the new surface vessel system Pakistan is getting from America ?

    http://www.nti.org/db/submarines/pakistan/index.html

    Please also see for why it's such a bad idea for India...

    http://www.saag.org/\papers14\paper1382.html
     
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    They might possibly be turnin the Agostas nuclear. Who knows. What Pakistan really needs is something that can fire the Babur.
     
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    the name given by fench to that project is Marlin..
     
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    Pakistan doesn't need a nuclear submarine. Too costly to maintain and France won't be too keen of handing over sub nuke tech to another country. As a matter of fact, the only country that shares its sub nuke tech is Russia.
     
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    There isn't a lot of info on project Marlin.

    Anybody have any specific info ?
     
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    can u please elaborate more on babur?? is it some slbm/slcm?
     
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    Since it is a new generation sub, I doubt there will be much info available. It seems like the media will be kept in the dark about this project for some time to come. Maybe this is Pakistan's response to the ATV?

    To ajaybhutani, the Babur is a cruise missile that Pakistan has in its arsenal which was finally revealed in August of 2005. Many news outlets have reported that Pakistan is planning to make an air-launched and sub launched version of the Babur and the range may also be extended to 1000 km.
     
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