Please link to Dassault's announcement. That is far more helpful to SD members than a screen image. Thanks.
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Miragedriver
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Hollande and Putin addressed the paralyzed delivery of the Mistral ships to Russia next April 24
(Defensa.com) is scheduled next April 24th French President Francois Hollande and Russian, Vladimir Putin, to coincide in the events taking place in Yerevan for the centenary of the Armenian genocide are met. This was confirmed by the French president on Sunday own speaking at a program of French television. During that meeting they will try to find a solution to the stalled delivery of the two French-made helicopter carrier to Russia.
The Russian president, meanwhile, said last week that the problem of delivery of the vessels "not important" and that the French helicopter carrier deliver waiver would infringe the terms of an agreement, which will mean money back. Recall that France decided to freeze the delivery of the two Mistral helicopter carrier type, Rosoboronexport was hired by 1,200 million euros, the outbreak of the crisis in Ukraine. France and Russia agreed in 2011 to build two helicopter carrier derived from the French Mistral class adapted to the requirements of the Russian Navy, leaving the door open for the construction of two other ships under license in Russia. Although Minsk agreements have been a ceasefire, really clashes have continued at any time, so that the conditions that have to be taken to deliver the ships to which Hollande referred would not have met. Just two days before Hollande and Putin are, Ukrainian President, Petro Poroshenko, will visit Paris to meet with French President.
Last March, the "Sevastopol", the second helicopter carriers for the Russian Navy ship being built by French shipyard DCNS, ended the first sea trials in the presence of staff DCNS, prime contractor, and STX, subcontractor . They boarded the ship around 200 people who could perform three shifts of eight hours continuously. The following tests take place this month April as the ship was scheduled to be delivered to Russia during the last quarter of this year. The first ship, the "Vladivostok" should have been delivered on November 14 last year.
A breach of contract of Mistral class helicopter carrier could result in significant losses to France, plus the return of 890 million euros already paid by Moscow and fined for exceeding the set date of delivery, which increases every week (although be limited to 5% of the total contract value) plus the amount that would require Moscow for the damages incurred, including costs associated with the delivery of Russian shipyards in Saint-Nazaire sailors. The French newspaper L'Opinion 'recently stated that the current situation will cost Paris also 5 million euros per month only with regard to the maintenance and protection of ships, which would remain in France.
Back to bottling my Grenache
(Defensa.com) is scheduled next April 24th French President Francois Hollande and Russian, Vladimir Putin, to coincide in the events taking place in Yerevan for the centenary of the Armenian genocide are met. This was confirmed by the French president on Sunday own speaking at a program of French television. During that meeting they will try to find a solution to the stalled delivery of the two French-made helicopter carrier to Russia.
The Russian president, meanwhile, said last week that the problem of delivery of the vessels "not important" and that the French helicopter carrier deliver waiver would infringe the terms of an agreement, which will mean money back. Recall that France decided to freeze the delivery of the two Mistral helicopter carrier type, Rosoboronexport was hired by 1,200 million euros, the outbreak of the crisis in Ukraine. France and Russia agreed in 2011 to build two helicopter carrier derived from the French Mistral class adapted to the requirements of the Russian Navy, leaving the door open for the construction of two other ships under license in Russia. Although Minsk agreements have been a ceasefire, really clashes have continued at any time, so that the conditions that have to be taken to deliver the ships to which Hollande referred would not have met. Just two days before Hollande and Putin are, Ukrainian President, Petro Poroshenko, will visit Paris to meet with French President.
Last March, the "Sevastopol", the second helicopter carriers for the Russian Navy ship being built by French shipyard DCNS, ended the first sea trials in the presence of staff DCNS, prime contractor, and STX, subcontractor . They boarded the ship around 200 people who could perform three shifts of eight hours continuously. The following tests take place this month April as the ship was scheduled to be delivered to Russia during the last quarter of this year. The first ship, the "Vladivostok" should have been delivered on November 14 last year.
A breach of contract of Mistral class helicopter carrier could result in significant losses to France, plus the return of 890 million euros already paid by Moscow and fined for exceeding the set date of delivery, which increases every week (although be limited to 5% of the total contract value) plus the amount that would require Moscow for the damages incurred, including costs associated with the delivery of Russian shipyards in Saint-Nazaire sailors. The French newspaper L'Opinion 'recently stated that the current situation will cost Paris also 5 million euros per month only with regard to the maintenance and protection of ships, which would remain in France.
Back to bottling my Grenache
Miragedriver
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Jura The idiot
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some time ago in this thread I called La Fayette Frigates under-armed in comparison with the Formidable-class ...https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/france-military-news-thread.t5867/page-56#post-327621 ... and it was questioned here so I let it be 
but there's a very interesting article in the most recent issue of a Polish naval journal about the La Fayette and its derivatives and the author (who for example draw the charts of the Chen De; Al Riyadh; Formidable so he did his homework says the La Fayette should've entered service with
but there's a very interesting article in the most recent issue of a Polish naval journal about the La Fayette and its derivatives and the author (who for example draw the charts of the Chen De; Al Riyadh; Formidable so he did his homework says the La Fayette should've entered service with- VLS for 16 (not 32) Aster missiles (the space for their fire-control Arabel radar is still available together with an unused (sixth) console in the Combat Information Center)
- sonar and Murene (later developed into MU90) torpedos
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Well, I know that I was involved with you in that conversation, and I remember saying that indeed the La Fayette were not as heavily armed as the Formidable class, particularly in the air defense arena I went on to make the following comparison between the two:
Main Gun: 1 x 100mm (Lafayette) 1 x 76 mm (Formidable)
ASM: 8 x Exocet (Lafayette) 8 x Haproon (Formidable)
Anti-Air: 8 x Crotale CN2 (Lafayette) 32 x A50 Silver VLS (Formidable)
Secondary Gun: 2 x 20mm F2 (Lafayette), 2 x 25mm Mk 38Mod 2 (Formidable)
ASW: None (Lafayette) 2 x 3 B515 Torpedo Launchers (Formidable)
Helos: 1 x ASW (Lafayette), 2 x ASW (Formidable)
Note: The Crotale launcher has eight ready to launch missiles (thus the 8x above), but also has 16 reloads, so 24 missiles altogether.
The Lafayettes are armed like France wants for the missions they are used for. In terms of their war fighting, the principle area where the Formidable has an edge is in the AAW VLS (which is a huge edge) and in ASW, where the Formidable is significantly stronger too.
So, yes...in AAW and in ASW the Formidable is more heavily armed...but the La Fayettes are, none-the-less, good multi-role frigates and fulfill the role the French have for them. If the French need more capability...they have it in the Horizons, the FREMMs, and others. By comparison, the Formidables are the most capable ships by far that Singapore has and they have armed them accordingly.
My understanding was that the French intend for the later FREMM frigates to end up serving as replacements for the La Fayette classthere's a very interesting article in the most recent issue of a Polish naval journal about the La Fayette and its derivatives and the author ... also says the La Fayettes will be replaced in second half of 2020s by FX4 Frigates, but this program is still classified ... do you know anything?
They intend to have nine GP FREMMs and two Anti-air FREMMs. The two anti-air to serve with the Horizons and to, in effect, make up for having only two Horizons instead of four.
I thought that some of the GP FREMMs were intended to serves are La Fayette replacements...but that may well be inaccurate.
Forbin? NavyReco?
Exact but main problem for La Fayette no ASW capability no sonar, TLT, ASW helos !
planned later get a sonar hope TLT also. Hangar have need modified for host NH-90 NFH.
5 La Fayette replaced by last GP FREMM and/or new Frégate de taille intermédiare FTI midsize frigate a cheaper FREMM with normaly a big gun, 16 SAM in VLS, helo ASW... about 4/5000 t according first infos.
planned later get a sonar hope TLT also. Hangar have need modified for host NH-90 NFH.
5 La Fayette replaced by last GP FREMM and/or new Frégate de taille intermédiare FTI midsize frigate a cheaper FREMM with normaly a big gun, 16 SAM in VLS, helo ASW... about 4/5000 t according first infos.
That's what I thought.
That the initial plan was to have the last 2-3 GP FREMMs serve as their replacement.
I guess we will see...and know more in about five years, eh?