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[Jeff Head]

Normandie now Egyptian named Al Cairo.

...for Al Cairo, as Mohamed VI which get only one A50 to see but sure Al Cairo don' t use CM MDCN.

For Helo as Perry and Knox Egyptian embark SH-2G maybe two can go in the hangar.

Please confirm what I believe I am reading here.

The French are going to take their existing FREMM FFG, the Normandie, D651, and assign that as the new Egyptian vessel?

Seriously?

They are not going to do a new build for Egypt?

Does this mean that the French will add another FREMM to the end of the cycle for France? Or are they going to end up with one less?

 

[Jura The idiot]

Please confirm what I believe I am reading here.

The French are going to take their existing FREMM FFG, the Normandie, D651, and assign that as the new Egyptian vessel?

Seriously?

They are not going to do a new build for Egypt?

Does this mean that the French will add another FREMM to the end of the cycle for France? Or are they going to end up with one less?

hey Jeff, I thought you knew ... https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/france-military-news-thread.t5867/page-54#post-327051

from what I figured, the French Government decided to help accounting books of the DCNS (which were showing loss), whatever it takes ...

 

[FORBIN]

Please confirm what I believe I am reading here.

The French are going to take their existing FREMM FFG, the Normandie, D651, and assign that as the new Egyptian vessel?

Seriously?

They are not going to do a new build for Egypt?

Does this mean that the French will add another FREMM to the end of the cycle for France? Or are they going to end up with one less?

Well, Jeff i think you have overlook for the FREMM because the deal with Rafale is bound but she appears less.
Good deal for DCNS, but delaying the replacement of George Leygues class yet 2 retired, one by year and French Navy boring, MOD to compensate this sale have required to DCNS accelerate production for French Navy get 4 FREMM for 2016, DCNS can surely because actually build one in about 1 year but initialy planned one every 10 months finaly more because budget.

Schedule now :

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For replace Normandie 2 commissioned in 2016, one additionnal.
For FREDA, AAW variant homeport i think wrong will based to Toulon, replace Cassard for escort important ships, CVN, LHD.
Planned less expensive as Forbin class, with 16 Aster 15 and 16 Aster 30 vs 16/32 but maybe get and i hope new Thales radar AESA, 4, best air coverage than with a rotating radar as AEGIS CG/DDG.

 

[Jeff Head]

hey Jeff, I thought you knew ... https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/france-military-news-thread.t5867/page-54#post-327051

from what I figured, the French Government decided to help accounting books of the DCNS (which were showing loss), whatever it takes ...

I knew they were selling a FREMM to Egypt, but I (erroneously) concluded it would be a new build.

I see the announcement that you pointed to and now understand that they are selling one of their own and I am pretty dumbfounded.

I mean they were working this vessel up to be commissioned which means the crew was well along in training. Now that crew rotation...and the logisitics...etc. are going to be a mess for the French Navy until they can get back on track.

 

[FORBIN]

Because Egypt in a hurry for a naval review this summer at the end of the Suez Canal work and want fast, very fast her new flag ship.
Deal concluded in 3/4 months, only between two countries very rare and fast.
Same thing for Rafale 6 this year initialy for French AF, see Middle East thread.

 

[thunderchief]

French submarine managed simulated "kiill" of US carrier in recent exercises

U.S. aircraft carrier and part of its escort “sunk” by French submarine during drills off Florida
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If you thought aircraft carriers were invincible you were wrong.
On Mar. 4, the French Ministry of Defense released some interesting details, about the activity conducted by one of its nuclear-powered attack submarine (SNA) in the waters of the North Atlantic Ocean.

According to French MoD website (that is no longer online, even if you can still find a cached version of the article titled “Le SNA Saphir en entraînement avec l’US Navy au large de la Floride”), the Saphir submarine has recently taken part in a major exercise with the U.S. Navy off Florida.

The aim of the exercise was joint training with U.S. Carrier Strike Group 12 made by the

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, several Ticonderoga cruisers or Arleigh Burke-class destroyers and a Los Angeles-class submarine, ahead of their operational deployment.

The scenario of the drills saw some imaginary states assaulting American economic and territorial interests; threats faced by a naval force led by USS Theodore Roosevelt.

During the first phase of the exercise, the Saphir was integrated into the friendly force to support anti-submarine warfare (ASW) by cooperating with U.S. P-3C Orion

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: its role was to share all the underwater contacts with the other ASW assets.

In the second phase of the exercise, the Saphir was integrated with the enemy forces and its mission was to locate the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt and its accompanying warships and prepare to attack the strike group.

While the fictious political situation deteriorated, the Saphir quietly slipped in the heart of the multi-billion-dollar aircraft carrier’s defensive screen, while avoiding detection by ASW assets.

On the morning of the last day, the order to attack was finally given, allowing the Saphir to pretend-sinking the USS Theodore Roosevelt and most of its escort.

Although we don’t really know many more details about the attack and its outcome, the scripted exercise its RoE (Rules of Engagement), the simulated sinking of a U.S. supercarrier proves the flattop’s underwater defenses are not impenetrable.

This is the reason why modern

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: they pose a significant threat to powerful Carrier Strike Groups.

Obviously, this was not the first time a submarine scored a simulated carrier kill with torpedo attacks.

For instance, in 2007 HMCS Corner Brook, a Canadian diesel-electric submarine

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[SamuraiBlue]

Yeah, according to unconfirmed rumors JMSDF subs scored multiple hits against an US aircraft carrier and even came up right up next to her right in middle of the carrier strike group.

 

[FORBIN]

Very nice view posted by thunderchief more big.


Saphir

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

Put the right people against it with the rich training and anything can be "killed" that's part of the argument that is happening in the USN and DOD about the super carriers. Against AQ or the Taliban carriers are virtually untouchable but in a conventional conflict they have weaknesses. The French the JSDF, Canada, Great Britain and the US all know this. And all work hard to find defenses against attack.

 

[Jura The idiot]

Yeah, according to unconfirmed rumors JMSDF subs scored multiple hits against an US aircraft carrier and even came up right up next to her right in middle of the carrier strike group.

this, if true, would be an outrage ... I can imagine firing heave-weight torpedos from like 20 miles while hiding at one thousand feet depth ... but being able to even resurface in the vicinity??

EDIT
a scary series of posts here ... I'm saying it because I recall Russian videos claiming "it would've been easy for them to hit US carrier(s) with torps"