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    France orders upgraded Rafale warplanes for $2.3 billion https://www.defensenews.com/global/...ers-upgraded-rafale-warplanes-for-23-billion/
     
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    French have got a problem

    current carrier just spent 18 months in re-fit and has shown venerability of single carrier use

    they need to decide by 2025 if they are going to build 1 carrier or 2

    if they decide on it by 2030 it needs to be launched

    means the current carrier will serve for years and years to come

    on top of that SSBN programme as well as nuclear missile programme needs replacement

    it will take huge amount of budget away from carriers, bad timing and planning on part of the French

    UK timed it right, the carriers are done the SSN are almost done now they can focus on SSBN
     
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    From what I understand the French have had a longstanding program to iteratively upgrade their nuclear ballistic missiles.
    The latest iteration, the M51.2 missile, is one of the most advanced SLBMs in the world. It has similar specs to the Trident missile.
    It has both a more advanced solid propellant and casing than something like the Bulava. Which means the M51 has more range and payload capability than the Bulava.

    Their most recent ballistic missile submarine was launched 8 years ago. The oldest in the class is like 22 years old. They have four such submarines each can carry 16 SLBMs.
    Sure, the design was done quite a long time ago. But if you look at the design, it uses pump-jet propulsion, and there is some evidence that the French ballistic submarines have a similar level of quietness compared to the UK's Trafalgar class which is a much older design with submarines that are like 2 decades older and thus in a more dire need of replacement due to hull age.

    So no, the French SSBN submarine programme, it has no issues at all.

    The carrier program is an issue. But you have to remember that the QE class is based on a joint UK/French design. So they have access to that design if they wished to produce it. However there was a desire to make it a nuclear submarine, probably with catapults, so the production was never launched because that would require changes to the base design. The problem France has is that due to EU budget deficit restrictions the French government cannot embark on some projects as easily. Not to mention that France is currently under some social turmoil.

    Their nuclear attack submarine programme is under normal progress and their submarine industry even has had some exports under their belt both to Brazil and Australia.
    The only major issue I see was the sale of Alstom to GE a couple of years back. Thanks once again to restrictive EU regulations on state support for ailing companies.
     
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    Not an IFV it only has a crew of three. Its a recon vehicle. It's packing one heck of a gun on a very light vehicle. I call it a glass cannon. It can dish punishment but hit it with the same and it shatters.
     
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    The French have a lot of similar vehicles. Basically they have them in case they need to do a foreign intervention in, say, Africa.
    The low weight means it is air-transportable.

    I cannot say I am a big fan of wheeled combat vehicles in general however.
     
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    Those vehicles tend to be the same mission scouts. They lack armor but pack some heat. You have similar vehicles elsewhere like the German Weasel, American Sheridan, or British Simitar. Of course it does sometimes fall out of favor. The hull only protects from small arms.
     
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    Actually the level of technology in the Bulava & M51 is very similar, both have filament-wound composite casings in all stages etc. (which in fact France only introduced with the M51 whereas Russia already deployed it previously on the SS-20, SS-25 and SS-N-20). The M51 is just quite a lot bigger (>50t as opposed to <40t, a difference of more than 25%), so it'll carry the same payload to a longer range or a larger payload to the same range - nothing more, nothing less. But if sheer size was a concern, Russia could simply have proceeded with the ~90t Bark :D Only half joking - it's not as though Bulava had fewer failures initially and when you consider the cost of starting over with a clean-sheet missile as well as the cost of redesigning the Borei missile compartment you start to wonder whether it was such a clever idea after all.

    But yeah, the French SNLE and SLBM are fine.
     
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    First Successful METEOR Missile Shots https://seawaves.com/2019/03/11/first-successful-meteor-missile-shots/
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    February 20, 2019 (Google Translation) – On Wednesday, 13 February, at 13:30, a patrol composed of two Rafale took off from the air base Cazaux (Gironde) to make the first shot of a METEOR missile. At 20:00, a second shot was made at night. These experiments were supervised by the DGA, with the activation of a complete test device, combining security, instrumentation, the implementation of targets, and the return of the shots, from its control center located on the island of the Levant, off Hyères.

    The aircraft were configured and piloted by personnel of the Air Force Center of Air Defense Expertise (CEAM) and the Naval Airborne Practical Experiments Center (CEPA / 10S) of the French Navy, in close collaboration with the DGA, testifying to the very high level of technicality of the forces in joint

    Intended for air superiority missions, the METEOR air-to-air missile is powered by a ramjet and capable of intercepting very long-range targets. Acquired by France, Great Britain, Germany, Italy, Spain and Sweden, it has a zone of interception assured far superior to that of the missiles of the same range currently in service.

    MBDA photo.
     
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