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    L'Argentine achète cinq Super-Etendard Modernisés à la France
    6 Octobre 2017 http://www.defens-aero.com/2017/10/argentine-achete-super-etendard-modernises-france.html

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    "For more than a year now it is known that Argentina and its Armada Argentina are seeking to acquire the Navy's modernized Super-Etendard (SEM), retired from active service on July 12, 2016, in order to integrate them within the Aviación Naval Argentina (Argentine Naval Aviation).

    After several months of negotiations between Buenos Aires and Paris, this sale has just been officially concluded on 05 October 2017 with the confirmation of the purchase of five French SEMs made by the Argentine government and relayed by the national media and specialized Argentine sites .

    Moreover, according to information from the Infodefensa site, the amount of this contract is estimated at approximately "14.23 million euros", of which 12.55 for combat aircraft, spare parts, technical documentation , etc., while the rest, € 1.68 million, corresponds to the transport of these SEMs from the Chateaudun EAR in Argentina.

    The five former aircraft of the Embarcadero will join the Aeronaval Comandante Espora Base (BACE), located on the east coast of Argentina, where the Escuadra Aeronaval N ° 3 is located, which operates the Escuadrilla Aeronaval de Caza y Ataque with its Super-Etendard.

    According to the Argentinian specialist site, this contract provides for the sale of these five Modernized Super-Etendards (serial numbers 1, 31, 41, 44 and 51), ten Atar 8K50 reactors, spare parts, flight and several test benches.

    All of these devices are standard 5, commissioned in 2006, and where SEM pilots see the arrival of new capabilities with night vision binoculars (JVN), an optimization of the laser designation nacelle day / night DAMOCLES, the integration of Raytheon E-Paveway bombs under dual pylons, the installation of a digital autopilot and the SATURN radio station to escape frequency, and the evolution of the navigation and navigation system, attack.

    The Aviación Naval Argentina received fourteen Super-Etendards after an order in July 1979 from Dassault Aviation. They are now nailed to the ground due to lack of crew training, lack of spare parts and improper maintenance after many budget cuts due to the financial crisis in Argentina.

    The Argentinean SUEs are very popular in their country and world-wide known for their participation and warfare during the Falklands War from April to June 1982 against the United Kingdom.

    The Argentinian pilots will be widely noticed due to the numerous missions of attack to the sea against the ships of war of the Royal Navy, as well as during the fighting against Sea Harrier. During these fights, with the use of the AM-39 Exocet air-to-sea missiles, the SUE will succeed in sinking the HMS Sheffield destroyer and the Atlantic Conveyor logistics building."
     
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    First French Air Force C-130J Super Hercules rolling out of the assembly line !.jpg
     
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    Mistral, Forbin, Aquitaine classes !

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    PATMAR : le Graal ?
    20 octobre 2017 lefauteuildecolbert.blogspot.com/2017/10/patmar-le-graal.html

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    "An unexpected combination of circumstances may lead to consider a new aeronautical solution in the field of possibilities for the replacement of the Atlantic 2. If it was technically and politically viable, it would lead to maintain high operational ambitions with a number replacement for number of Atlantic 2 modernized (15), or even the initial park received (28). Is Atlantic 3 back?

    PATrouille MARitime's aircraft remain an essential anti-submarine capability as they are capable of patrolling large ocean spaces to spot a surface naval force and / or play endurance in order to persist in a particular area. , looking for a periscope thanks to an airborne radar and passive and active buoys dams. If the NH90 Marine Caiman NH90 significantly increases the operational possibilities offered by the ASM helicopter, to the point of evoking a "PATMARIZATION" of this aircraft in particular (long-range airborne radar, buoys, endurance more importance (class of 10) tons versus 5 for a Lynx), it does not compete with the 18 hours of maximum autonomy of an Atlantic 2.

    Sustainability of the Navy's PATMAR capability remains a strategic imperative. Its disappearance would have immediate consequences for the oceanic component of nuclear deterrence as the withdrawal of the active service of the British Nimrods and the abandonment of their evolution program to London was heavily reliant on NATO solidarity in order to get rid of unwanted submarines from Faslane. Policy that remains essential until recent weeks.

    Yet, the successor to Atlantic 2 faces a range of financial and institutional issues. In addition to cash flow issues, there is a need for a replacement program in France alone, while many European countries are turning to the American solution: the P-8 Poseidon, to the extent that the residents of the North Sea will soon form a club.

    European nations likely to join France that they have not followed either on the Atlantic 2, let alone on the Atlantic 3 - aborted program - are spared either time - which can help that the calendars are coming together: Italy and its interim capacity on ATR-72 - either could be familiar with the American solution again with the example of Germany buying P-3 Orion to support Atlantic's dwindling fleet and exhausted for nothing in the EuroHawk program.

    From the point of view of the future operational solution to materialize in a few years in a needs expression sheet, itself transformed into a program file, the translation seems highly complicated. The last developed PATMARs are bi- (P-8 Poseidon) or quadri-reactors (Kawasaki P-1) - although turboprops resist (Il-38 and future Il-114, Y-8). This evolution is very expensive (below).

    In addition, other aircraft manufacturers praise the merits of PATMAR designed around business aircraft such as Dassault Aviation and its Falcon 900 and 2000 (Multi-Role Sea Plane). This would lead, in case of choice of such a platform, to confuse in a single category the aircraft of PATMAR and MARITIME SURVEILLANCE (SURMAR) since from the same type of platform.

    Not to mention the possibility that these same aircraft can be supersonic from a SURMAR perspective unattractive to a PATMAR while other manufacturers tout the merits of pseudolites for persistent or near-permanent surveillance of large ocean portions.

    Analysis of the military dynamics between mice and cats will lead to arbitration in this complex mic-mac. By the way, it obliges, perhaps in a salutary way, to press the staffs to put in view and in coherence all the capacities of maritime surveillance. Nevertheless, since the end of the East-West conflict (1947-1991), if there have been peace dividends, the submarine threat has been anything but decreasing:

    Atomic propulsion submarines continue to spread (Brazil, India and possibly Australia) or to spark new ones (North Korea, South Korea, Iran, Germany?) Or old ambitions (Canada).

    Classic submarines, with diesel-electric propulsion, continue to make progress in terms of submarine discretion where they traditionally have an architectural advantage over nuclear submarines - they are dispensed with many systems that work continuously. in the service of a nuclear circuit for an atomic submarine - while not being technologically distant from them. The technological gap, if it exists, is quite thin with comparable construction year.

    Also, and whatever the mode of propulsion, the continuous improvement of the sonars would allow the well-born or equipped submarines to hear, not only the helicopter station with its sonar sonar, but also, and very distinctly, the PATMAR passes at low altitude. In addition, the appearance of anti-aircraft ammunition integrated in a mast of the massif or entorpillées allow the submarine to give blow to blow at the place of any goal. Confirming the well-known theorem: "there are only two types of ship: the submarine and the targets".

    Financial issues are as important as others. In this perspective, should we recall that a P-8 Poseidon would cost something like 250 million euros, 120 to 180 million euros a Kawasaki P-1 or 50 million for an ATR-72 PATMAR while the Falcon, as for the civil versions, would negotiate between 25 and 50 million euros. Difficult to figure a new solution to the image of a pseudolite but difficult, too, to deny that it would require several hundred million euros just to lead to operational capacity.

    The finances strongly invited then to choose either a solution to the inexpensive platform to converse a number of aircraft related to assigned missions which are not limited to Brittany point, even to deny on embedded sensors or the capabilities of in vivo treatment; either to retain an "oceanic" platform but very expensive which, in the current state of the budgets, leads to divide the park by two or three.

    This is why the European-American arm wrestling around Airbus brings an unexpected solution to this problem. Airbus' acquisition of a majority stake in CS series offers France, through the European company, a seemingly inexpensive platform. A CS series would be around 60 million euros per unit. An ATR-72 PATMAR would cost nearly 40% more than the civilian version, which would be equivalent to estimating a PATMAR SC at 85 million euros, excluding study fees.

    This would mean replacing the 15 Atlantic 2 modernized (28 Atlantic 2 products) by 15 CS PATMAR for 1.260 billion euros. This envelope thus fixed would allow the purchase of only 5 P-8 Poseidon or about fifteen Falcon 900, 2000 or ATR-72 PATMAR.

    Also, the choice of such a Europeanized or atlanticized platform would help as much to support the ambitions displayed by some to set up a European program - a mandatory step, no matter the chances of success in the current political context - than to release support. military institutions in France: would not there be matter to find a replacement for the C-160 Gabriel and the two regretted DC-8 SARIGUE? A CS series might be slightly less expensive than an A320. Also, the inclusion of an electronic intelligence version in the Atlantic 2 replacement program would help Atlantic Canadians also have an in-flight refueling boom that opens up new and broad opportunities. Finally, what would be the pecuniary difference between a SURMAR CS derived from the PATMAR CS vis-à-vis a Falcon 900 or 2000 MRA?

    The Atlantic 2 must hold until 2030 or even 2035 while the AVSIMAR program (19 machines to replace) is very heavy. The two C-160 Gabriel will soon be thirty, There may be, there, a great opportunity."
     
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