Flight Simulator Discussion and Comments

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
Super Moderator
Hi guys, I realize that some of you have played with Flight-Sims as have I, I have found FSX to be very realistic and upgraded to FSX Acceleration-Pak-which shut my whole system down, I had to make a trip to the big city for a Graphics card with enough CPU to get me back up and running.....

I had a new computer built and wanted to go with an I-7 processor, but cost and my computer guy talked me out of it, I have been generally satisfied, but still don't have enough processor or graphics card??? so my computer seems to load up with junk that slows it down. Flight Sim does work fairly well, but not as well as it could. Anyway I hope you will join me and feel free to make comments or observations.

I will start by saying that I have really enjoyed the F-18, it is a lot of fun to fly, and has outstanding aerodynamics!
 

broadsword

Brigadier
Brat, I never knew you were that hung up on flight simulations, after all you were flying a real plane prior. But you were talking real when you wrote that commanding a simulator, especially to land, can be tougher because you don't get the real feedback. I gave it up long ago after my MS Force Feedback joystick died.

Video games are good for your mental faculty and dexterity.
 
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Scratch

Captain
When I was a kid, around 10 maybe(?), we had an old Apple system and some kind of an A320 sim. Really good actually. The graphics were poor, but the sim included IFR maps for all of Europe. Very many airports and pretty much all the nav-aids were included. Back then I didn't really cope with all the requirenments behind it. But at least the IFR nav part was already ok for me to do. That was my intro into flight Sims.

Then years later I had a win PC game called "Enemy Engaged", I believe. You could either fly an Apache or a Havock attack helo in three different scenarios. The fighting part was fun, but really not that much behind it aviation wise.

There were a few smaller games likewise in between. And eventually, already almost 10 years ago I'm afraid, I found "Lock On: Modern Air Combat". Pretty nicely detailed. Allowing me to fly F-15s, A-10s, Flankers, Fulcrums and Frogfoots. To include carrier landings and takeoffs on the Kuznetsov. That's were I spent most my time really going into the details.

The game would allow you to fly down an ILS to the runway as well. Since a glideslope will bring you down about 1.000ft after the threshhold, plus round out and flare, for shorter RWYs I tried to stay a little below and fly it down. If I knew there were no obstacles.
I sometimes tried FS with bigger jets on a friends PC. Even though a single monitor isn't that great for visual approaches, some rules of thumb helped out pretty well.
Like I think line up really early, 10+ nm out, with the centerline. Do so with shallow banking for a clean setup, and not with those ugly rudder snaps. For a 3° glideslope start decend at 3x the altitude? And then set a descend rate of 5 times your ground speed. Actually worked out pretty well. Maybe a little more in between to go to 3 red 1 white approaching the overrun. And slowly break the decent with pitch.

Anyhow, I'm sometimes looking for the game when in a store, but I'm not sure if I'd actually play it that often to justify the expense.

I have an i5 @ 2,5GHz I think, an GT560Ti and 8GB of RAM. I'd have to check on the required specs.
 

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
Super Moderator
When I was a kid, around 10 maybe(?), we had an old Apple system and some kind of an A320 sim. Really good actually. The graphics were poor, but the sim included IFR maps for all of Europe. Very many airports and pretty much all the nav-aids were included. Back then I didn't really cope with all the requirenments behind it. But at least the IFR nav part was already ok for me to do. That was my intro into flight Sims.

Then years later I had a win PC game called "Enemy Engaged", I believe. You could either fly an Apache or a Havock attack helo in three different scenarios. The fighting part was fun, but really not that much behind it aviation wise.

There were a few smaller games likewise in between. And eventually, already almost 10 years ago I'm afraid, I found "Lock On: Modern Air Combat". Pretty nicely detailed. Allowing me to fly F-15s, A-10s, Flankers, Fulcrums and Frogfoots. To include carrier landings and takeoffs on the Kuznetsov. That's were I spent most my time really going into the details.

The game would allow you to fly down an ILS to the runway as well. Since a glideslope will bring you down about 1.000ft after the threshhold, plus round out and flare, for shorter RWYs I tried to stay a little below and fly it down. If I knew there were no obstacles.
I sometimes tried FS with bigger jets on a friends PC. Even though a single monitor isn't that great for visual approaches, some rules of thumb helped out pretty well.
Like I think line up really early, 10+ nm out, with the centerline. Do so with shallow banking for a clean setup, and not with those ugly rudder snaps. For a 3° glideslope start decend at 3x the altitude? And then set a descend rate of 5 times your ground speed. Actually worked out pretty well. Maybe a little more in between to go to 3 red 1 white approaching the overrun. And slowly break the decent with pitch.

Anyhow, I'm sometimes looking for the game when in a store, but I'm not sure if I'd actually play it that often to justify the expense.

I have an i5 @ 2,5GHz I think, an GT560Ti and 8GB of RAM. I'd have to check on the required specs.

That's all very interesting guys, I no longer have a medical, and had to sell my interest in our old 172 nearly twenty years ago due to a divorce. My little brother decided to get his license, and has taken pity on me, and comes and gets me at a local airport, lands and always offers me the left seat, which I take and we go play, we have been to Hannibal, Mo., Quincy, Il., Pittsfield, Il., and Mt. Sterling, Il., in the last couple of months, but it had been some time since I had flown, so I was a little rusty.

Dan has a 1972 Cessna 150 with a Horton STOL kit, wheel fairings, some doo-dads that he enjoys, and an older but very slick aluma-grip style paint, and good for us, a climb prop.. It will hop right off the runway, and is a lot of fun to fly. A month ago, I set up for a crosswind landing at Jacksonville with gusts at 13- 17 mph, I made a nice solid approach, but as I was preparing to set it on the runway a gust caught me and I ballooned to about 10ft, and my nose was displaced about 15-20 degrees to the right, I nailed it with full throttle, and kinda crow hopped it on. That was the first time he has ever had to go for the controls, he was not upset, but I hated it that I felt like I had abused his sweet little airplane..

So the last time we went my Mo-Jo was kinda loosy goosy, but I had played with my 172 on the flight sim and shot some landings, and it does help you get that "sight picture down. I have a side stick controller, and my stick twists to give you rudder input, throttle is on the base, flaps and trim on the top of the joy-stick, its a Logi-tek extreme 30 Pro.

All of my Grandsons just love flying the simulator, and a Granddaughter or two likes it as well. The helicopters, I have three, the Robinson, Jet Ranger, and that UK three engine job, turbine is very kool, but a little hard to hover, but the choppers are much easier since I have a much faster processor. I have a P-51, that is hard to land, or even take off, but lovely to fly, it flys inverted, so nicely. So lots of fun!
 

no_name

Colonel
Haven't played flight games for quite awhile or many of them. I've played Microsoft flight simulator 98 when it came out as a kid. And later Crimson Skies which is not really a flight sim.
 

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
Super Moderator
Haven't played flight games for quite awhile or many of them. I've played Microsoft flight simulator 98 when it came out as a kid. And later Crimson Skies which is not really a flight sim.

Better get back on it, and that F-18 on the Acceleration Pac is a jazz to fly, comes in lots of different livery's I kinda like the aggressor squadron birds camo, but I usually fly the NASA bird as it is all white and easier to keep track of. With the tower view, where you are outside the aircraft, you can fly your own little airshow, you can even "buzz the tower" with you in it, very kool, and that bird is a trip. :p

I do have the YF-23,,,, but with those funky V tails it flies a little odd, not terrible, just not snappy sharp like the F-18, it comes in black, USAF Grey, and the Thunderbird's livery, it is very fast, and flies very high, and yes the flight sim birds are usally very accurate in the performance parameters, they do fly like the real thing...

another monitor or two would really make this game a lot more fun! It would be a big plus on take-offs and landings to be able to monitor the cockpit, as well as take q's from outside the airplane, I can do it either way, as I can switch fairly quickly between views, but it would be much easier to have the two monitors or even three??
 

no_name

Colonel
Since the YF-23 has not entered service (and even with other military planes that entered service), would the aerodynamic model and flight physics for them include a bit of a guess work from the developer's part?

For flying large commercial jets 3 monitors could be helpful showing the sides. Also useful for combat sims even though the hat switch on a modern joystick will allow you to pan views already.
 
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Air Force Brat

Brigadier
Super Moderator
Since the YF-23 has not entered service (and even with other military planes that entered service), would the aerodynamic model and flight physics for them include a bit of a guess work from the developer's part?

For flying large commercial jets 3 monitors could be helpful showing the sides. Also useful for combat sims even though the hat switch on a modern joystick will allow you to pan views already.

The F-18 is very accurate, the YF-23 will operate somewhat higher and faster?? than I would have thought, but everything else seems very accurate. I was very surprised at my Airbus simulation, as I achieved a much higher terminal bank angle, and nose down angle than I would have expected, but the numbers on my flight sim, corresponded very closely with the Mode S transponder returns from Air Asia---they were guesstimated but very close....

The F-18 will fly to and maintain an astounding angle of attack, although it does become roll unstable on short final, at least more than I would expect, it could just be a PIO or pilot induced oscillation, but I have had less trouble since I try to keep my approach speeds around 145knots, which is I believe very close to what they fly short final to the carrier...

I do have trouble with the carrier, as the perspective is very different landing about 50ft plus above the water, and keeping it lined up is a pain.. I wish I could have a little pro help to get that ironed out.
 

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
Super Moderator
Don't neglect your honey badger, brat. Or else, you will be offline.

No doubt, I fixed Chili for supper tonight, the twins are out with their boyfriends, one loves chili, the other one, not so much, but the Honey Badger said it was really good. It is about 7 degrees above 0 here tonight, so we did not have church, just kinda chilling out, for real, LOL.
 
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