Fc-20 = J-10?

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  1. Vlad Plasmius
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    I thought this was interesting. They're talking about FC-1 and then about getting AWACS and FC-20 from China. Could FC-20 be the designation of J-10?
     
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    FC-20 is the J-10 according to Pakistani Air Chief Marshall.

    But the main issue is how is the nomenclature decided. Unlike JF-17, Pakistan has not contributed to the J-10, but yet insists on its own nomenclature for it. Also, even if China does agree on the name 'FC-20', it should be FC-2 instead of FC-20, because it is a continuation or sequel to the FC-1 (JF-17 in Pak). What is the '20' in FC-20 stand for ?

    Anyway from all sources, FC-20 is a Pakistani name and not Chinese. In China it is called as J-10. Even the FC-1 is likely to be designated as J-9.
     
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    Nothing wrong for Pak call it F-20.

    JF-17 was named since it was after F-16, and J10, if imported, has to be given a number > 17.
     
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    No Buddy according to Air Chief Tanvir J-10 is designated as F-10 and Super -10 is designated to FC-20 , I already had this discussion with Sabre on www.defencetalk.com if you want to know more about it go back to 10/20 pages on Pakistan Air Force thread on www.defencetalk.com you will get that interview.

    Basically what he said that we are going to induct 36+ F-10 and may acquire FC-20 in near future. You will get the answer there.

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    What I read is that PAF visited CAC and is really interested in the upgraded J-10. The one that's supposedly going to do first flight this year.
     
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    Perhaps the upgraded J-10 going to be inducted as FC-20 but still the original was supposed to be inducted as F-10 in PAF as said by Chief Tanvir in the detailed interview I came to know like 3/4 months back.

    Do you know more details about the upgraded J-10, what kind of up-gradation we are talking about here?

    1- Radar ?
    2-Avionics ?
    3-Weapons ?
    or

    4-Twin Engine J-10 ?
     
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    Found it at last

    J-10 is F-10A




    http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3751&page=90

    http://www.pakdef.info/forum/showpos...9&postcount=17
     
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    That is exactly my point that why does Pakistan insist on terming it as FC-20, when it is not known in China by that name ? I can understand the nomenclature of F-10, which is the export version of J-10.

    Going by the pattern of FC-x, it should have been FC-2 like FC-1 (which is likely to be J-9 in China).
    However Chinese nomenclature has a history of being ambiguous, ostensibly to confuse its military adversaries.
    On an out-of-topic note, ACM Tanvir is grossly mistaken about LCA (we won't talk about it any more otherwise it will lead to diversion from the topic).
     
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    I can see a bit of a pattern with the "Super-series" and PAF designations.

    Super-7 + 10 = 17 >> Joint Fighter-17/JF-17
    Super-10 + 10 = 20 >> Fighter China-20/FC-20 - assuming FC-20 is Super-10.

    I think the PAF is projecting the FC-20 as a 4.5 generation fighter...possibly with improved & stealthier airframe; supercruise & TVC; ECM/EW, avionics, radar and weapon-systems on-par with those used by Typhoon and Rafale, etc.
     
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    there is the upgraded j-10 and the twin-engined J-10. The latter is too far away right now to be considered an option. The former is supposed to fly soon (because the design is finalized). We are not sure right now exactly what kind of radar will be included. AESA is definitely an option if the buyer is willing to pay the cost. But I would caution that sometimes it may not be worthy to pay the extra cost just to get an AESA radar. In terms of avionics, it should be more integrated environment and has better MMI. In terms of weapons, it should be using the latest AAM and ground attack weapons. We would only know what that includes once the time comes.
     
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