Falklands War, 1982, Thread

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b787

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Decent coverage.

Bottom line is, the Argentine were afraid to commit their carrier group because of the nuclear attack sub(s), and they had to rely on land based air with weak radars, and then operating at extreme range.

They still did a lot of damage, but they were unable to get through to and do damage to the large carrier task force and as long as that was the case...they were not going to be able to stop the British.

...and they didn't.

May I suggest the following great book:




I have this book in my own library and it is a great read and a LOT of details about the entire campaign from both sides.
if i read something it will be in Spanish, i know the story embellished, British good guys, Argies bad guys, so no for me is not a good read, good read for me always in Spanish
 

Jeff Head

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if i read something it will be in Spanish, i know the story embellished, British good guys, Argies bad guys, so no for me is not a good read, good read for me always in Spanish
That book does a very credible job of objectively presenting both sides.

By saying what you did, simply because it is in English, and without ever having read it..you are simply showing your own bias.

Anyhow...it is a good book and does a very good job of presenting the history without slanting it way off to either side.
 

b787

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That book does a very credible job of objectively presenting both sides.

By saying what you did, simply because it is in English, and without ever having read it..you are simply showing your own bias.

Anyhow...it is a good book and does a very good job of presenting the history without slanting it way off to either side.
First Jeff, let me apologize if i gave you the wrong impression, i am sure is a good read, but i meant is not that good for some one who reads Spanish, in History, the British tent to embellish their victories, (the Spanish world does up to some degree the same), The Falkland war, despite is viewed as an isolated event, it is not, it is only the continuation of the many wars Spain and England fought from the XV to the XVIII century.

In fact the war has its origin is in that period, the war was a victory for England, however if you read the history of the many wars Spain and England fought, (you must know since some were fought in what today is the US soil) That Spain defeated many times the British, the Battle of Cartagena de Indias (1741) in modern-day Colombia, was one of the battles in which the British were defeated.

The Falklands/Malvinas war is just an extension of the many wars Spain and England fought, however in the case of Argentina, the Spanish former empire remained weak, fragmented and without a sense of cultural unity.

The conflict is not yet solved, the view from the Spanish speaking world, is not the view Presented in the English speaking world.

While some one reading the book might think is fair, reading Spanish sources that view might change, why?
For example the battle of San Juan de Ulúa (1568) the British usually tend to enbellish their History, they avoid to highlight battles like this one where their fleet was destroyed and will give the idea of heroic and great success in battles where they won.

The Falklands/Malvinas war, was a war where they almost lost, they got lucky Spain did not help Argentina and Italy the same, and the USA was not neutral, but as a military value, they embellish their victory and hide the fact would Argentina had gotten more weapons they would never had won.
 

antiterror13

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@b787 ... it has been always the case that the winner is always right and the one who write the history.

Thats why you never heard the story where the bad guy (evil) won the war :p
 
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FORBIN

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Do you guys think the British would use nukes if had lost more destroyers and had lost the war?

NO, that would've escalated the tension of the Cold War even further all just for small pieces of islands.
Obviously nah :p but recently after death of Fidel Castro a rumor or it was based ? say Cuba could possibly have send submarines they had now retired 6 Foxtrots for attack British Armada en route for Falklands in fact around central Atlantic close Ascencion Island but can be one idea for a what if i am wargamer hehe ;)
 

Equation

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Obviously nah :p but recently after death of Fidel Castro a rumor or it was based ? say Cuba could possibly have send submarines they had now retired 6 Foxtrots for attack British Armada en route for Falklands in fact around central Atlantic close Ascencion Island but can be one idea for a what if i am wargamer hehe ;)

Those Foxtrots submarines would have to travel long distances therefore needs constant refueling and resupply of air in order to make it down to the Falklands islands. Yes they can make a stop to friendly Latin American neighbors for replenishments but they would probably be caught by British intelligent and spies. I don't know how much they would be of use.
 

b787

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well .... , it is said that Thatcher threatened to nuke Argentina

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England would had never nuked Argentina, they sent the nukes as a threat, but an empty one, why? well Brazil demanded that England would not attack continental Argentina, England never did it, in fact if they never did attack the air bases was because that was part of the deal

In his book It makes a cross Country chronological of Data Between the Most Relevant Facts of the Conflict of Malvinas and the Activities of the intelligence of its. Brilev argues, for example, that Argentine naval aircraft succeeded in sinking the British frigate HMS Sheffield. Thanks to the information already being provided by the Soviet satellites in orbit before the launch of Kosmos-1365. "The version of Who Sinked the Sheffield Thanks to the Task of the Argentine Exploring Aircraft Neptune sounds very" patriotic ", surely, to the Argentine ear. However, it seems to me Probably Much More Than HAVE been HELP of the Soviets.


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Why simple South America could had become a nuclear power complicating things for the USA
Leopoldo Fortunato Galtieri (Caseros, July 15, 1926 - Buenos Aires, January 12, 2003) was an Argentine military man who reached the command of the Argentine Army with the rank of Lieutenant General.2 3 4 De facto occupied the presidency of the Nation Between 1981 and 1982, during the self-styled dictatorship National Reorganization Process.

To contain the strong popular discontent with the political and economic situation, he tried to deflect tensions by declaring war on Britain for sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. He resigned after the crash of the military. His actions as commander of the Armed Forces led to his condemnation by the Supreme Council of the Argentine Armed Forces during the government of President Raul Alfonsin. He was pardoned by Carlos Menem, but died while serving pre-trial detention under house arrest for another cause.

A group of specialists designed "in secret" a laboratory in charge of producing metallic plutonium and a neutron reflector to make an atomic bomb.

[Argentine bomb] (EFE) - This was revealed by the newspaper Clarin in an investigation that says that the project of the Argentine dictatorship (1976-1983), which consisted of three stages, met the first, but then stopped for The resistance of the National Atomic Energy Commission (CNEA), which had initiated a peaceful program.

This was the so-called "Army Nuclear Plan", which was elaborated in a secret manner between 1980 and 1982, and which provided for the installation of the "Laboratory of Radiochemical Processes (LPR)" in a plant in the Buenos Aires locality of Ezeiza.

The plan was designed by Lieutenant Colonel and Physics Doctor Ricardo Rapacioli, under the supervision of Galtieri, who in 1982 led Argentina to a war against the United Kingdom for possession of the Falkland Islands.

The contacts between Galtieri and Rapacioli had begun in 1976 with the objective of carrying out the plan of the Argentine Army, which consisted of three steps: "the calculation stage, the design stage and the construction phase," explained sources linked to the military project.


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