Falklands War, 1982, Thread

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    why do not you admit you can not prove your point, and you can not, i know you can not because

    Obviously United Nations do not support your claims
    Coventry sinking
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    Harrier shot down in 1982 over the Falklands/Malvinas
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    Harrier wreckage shot down in the Falklands/Malvinas
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    A lot of small nations with an axe to grind get to sit on UN committees and spout off with their mates. Nothing will happen as a result. There are credible legal avenues Argentina or it's citizens could use if they had a bona fide case of war crimes committed by Britain, like the International Criminal Court in The Hague. Please present your evidence there. We are signed up to the court and have to abide by it's conclusions.

    If the United Nations supported Argentina's claims to the islands then resolution 503 would never have happened. Decolonisation cuts both ways. If it is wrong for Britain to maintain the 'colony' on the island it would equally be wrong for Argentina to colonise the islands. If the Islands ever do cut their ties with the UK, it will be to become Independent. Not Argentinian. But that's all supposition, it's not going to happen in our lifetimes.

    Curious that would you post pictures of Coventry sinking and a shot down Harrier, these are events not disputed by either side. We didn't cry foul about the loss of Sheffield, Coventry, Ardent, Antelope or Atlantic Conveyor. They happened, no arguments. I posted pictures from the Argentine media which were not only demonstrably faked, they were laughably so. Yet you wish us to regard those sources as credible and reliable? I do not cite UK Newspapers in the same way, like any nation's newsprint media, they are owned by private interests with an agenda.
     
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    I have find more accurate numbers for Grounds troops on the Web... almost exact

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    3th RM Cdo Bde reinforced : about 7000 troops
    5th Inf Bde : 3500 - 3900

    Argentina
    About 10 Inf Bat with other artillery etc... and some AF personnal 14000 troops

    Argentinians a little more numerous but much conscripts 75 % and the 5 Inf Bat RM/Paras in the 3th RM Cdo Bde were excellent.

    Few combat vehicles as you have mentionned but a certain amount of guns especialy 105 mm to see after.
     
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    Obi Wan Russell can you confirm Harrier GR.3 ( seems have laser designator system ) or i don' t think Sea Harrier use LGBs ?

     
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    British Military aircraft change their mark number usually as a result of engine upgrades, which was certainly the case when the GR mk1 became the GR mk3. The engine was upgraded from the RR Pegasus mk101 (GR1) or mk102 (GR1a) to the mk103. At the same time (mid to late 70s) the Laser Rangefinder and Marked Target Seeker (LRMTS) was fitted in the nose, giving the aircraft it's characteristic pointy nose: cas047.jpg cas067.jpg 95136260472bb647dfba367997f41d8c5ec20430.jpg As you can see LGBs were deployed in the campaign, but only near the very end. The very last GR3 sortie of the war was an LGB bombing mission on Stanley itself, in order to attack specific buildings occupied by Argentine occupation forces, but it was aborted when reports of 'White Flags flying over Stanley' were received from the front line.
     
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    "Shortly after Menem's statements, the Argentine Ministry of Defense issued a report describing the destruction of the ship as "a legal act of war," a point of view shared by General Belgrano's captain Héctor Bonzo."

    Thank you for confirming these facts. Good luck with the court case, unfortunately courts deal in facts and evidence, not emotion or sentiment. People bring court cases all the time that have no chance of success and go nowhere, as I predict this one will.
     
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    The GR.3s definitely used use Paveway IIs but not 100% sure about the SHAR but could be likely as well. either way they all still need GBD though. I believe the GR.3 uses the Ferranti Type 106 LRMTS which does not illuminate. Back in 82', the Royal Marines etc still need to paint the target.
     
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    Indeed. Ground designation was the method used, and during the war no Sea Harriers flew with LGBs. By the time the bombs and the GR3s arrived in service, the Sea Harriers were used solely for CAP duties, and the GR3s, which had been modified to fire Sidewinders as attrition replacements for the SHARs, were used just for ground attack missions. LGBs were integrated on the Sea Harriers after the war certainly, but like the GR3s they could not self designate.
     
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