F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

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    That’s the norm for these types of deals. Besides because it is the F35 what would they do? Install a system off F15 wouldn’t work. It has to be tailored to the fighter. It’s not like the old head phones jack on your phone. This is a complicated component to be integrated.
     
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    I am pretty sure the Japanese can design, modify, better Oxygen generator But they have to synchornized it with other system. And has to access the system or modify the source code. Which is not allowed because they don't own the system. That is the price you pay for not having independent fighter jet program. But they have good living standard for not spending money on defence So who is to complain
     
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    Retired Generals Press Congress to Fund More F-35s, Discourage “Legacy” Buy
    http://airforcemag.com/Features/Pag...to-Fund-More-F-35s-Discourage-Legacy-Buy.aspx
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    The writers noted that the F-35 is doing well in deployments and has racked up “a 28:1 kill ratio at recent Red Flag exercises in Nevada.”
     
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    Again predicated on the assumption of a a failure of the Oxygen generator.
    True for any modern fighter program. From any nation.
    Here is the Rub of this line of reasoning. The fewer a production line makes the more it costs. This is as the Overhead and R&D has to be paid for. That is spread across the production.
    The Japanese F35A we are talking about were assembled in Japan by Mitsubishi Heavy industries. But the price of doing so is very very high.
    This is true for a pure indigenous fighter program to. For a nation like Japan it becomes a balancing act.
    Because the Japanese don't export their indigenous systems the Overhead bill gets eaten by the Japanese tax payers. In other words it's the reverse. Because there systems are produced at home or indigenous there is no export. Without export the Japanese eat the bill.
    Because of the higher cost of labor in Japanese manufacturing the price point of assembly or indigenous programs jumps vs a military export nation. In other words they are spending more or less.
     
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    you are? you're sure they can design a better oxygen system??? and why would you believe such nonsense Bub, because that's what you're promoting here...

    If there were a "better" oxygen system, it would be on the F-35, F-22, F-15, F-16, F-18... oxygen tanks are very heavy and need to be filled each time, the OBOGs is a "better oxygen generator", its not perfect obviously.... so according to our resident internet physiological expert, how could we improve it??

    but really the issue I have with your post, is you assuming and putting forth that LockMart is "short changing" the life support systems of our front line fighters, when absolutely nothing could be further from the truth...

    If the Japanese? as a full production partner with the US, a highly honorable and prestigious position, had an idea or piece of equipment that would NO DOUBT fix OBOG's once and for all, it would immediately be incorporated into everybody's F-35.....

    Since hypoxia has been pushed to the fore front of concern, I can assure you that brilliant scientists, with real world credentials and talent have been attempting to "perfect" that "better" oxygen system.

    and you know what smart people tell you about "assuming", it makes an ass out of u and me

    flying physiology is a very complex field, an oxygen system that is perfect for a person in outstanding physical condition, might be a little less perfect for someone that actually has some "breathing" issues??
     
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    The Generals are no doubt right, we need more F-35's, and a higher production rate will bring costs down, so a great argument can be made on both sides... there's little doubt that bringing a new variant of the F-15 into production, and into the inventory will cut into F-35 production rates and decrease number of aircraft fielded in the interim....

    Those F-15s would be greatly appreciated and their effectiveness maximized by our highly trained and multi talented F-15 squadron pilots, there's NO DOUBT about this either...
     
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    "IMPRESSIVE!, most IMPRESSIVE!
     
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    As a counter argument, a 28:1 kill ratio and even with a fleet of 380 F-35s mean that there are no where near enough adversary aircrafts to kill (380X28=10640). Why do thy need more F-35s? I wonder where were these "Generals" when the F-22 was truncated. Did they write a similar letter to Congress in support of the F-22? Comparing F-35s vs F-15EX is an apples vs oranges exercise as they are designed for different roles. I guess the Europeans, the Chinese, and the Russians did not get the memo as they are still busy buying 4th gen airframes. There is a saying "When all you have is a hammer, every solution is a nail".
     
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    There was a series of award winning articles done by AWST covering the issue of hypoxia. The issue itself is complex because it is the interaction of high performance machines with the complexity of the human body. The Japanese article is speculating with the premise that the missing F-35 is hypoxia related and the rather simplistic view that somehow the Japanese has a solution. It is written from ignorance.
    There are a bunch of medically related symptoms:
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    It also a false hood to think the issue is related to only the 5th generation airplanes.
    upload_2019-5-3_10-15-40.png
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    and in the meantime

    One of the F-35′s cost goals may be unattainable https://www.defensenews.com/air/2019/05/02/one-of-the-f-35s-cost-goals-may-be-unattainable/
     
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