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and armchair generalling involves F-35I, too:
Syrian downing of F-16I begs question: Why didn’t Israel deploy F-35s?
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Israels F-35s, like China's J-20 and Russia's SU-57 are not quite ready for "prime time" .... but as the Air Force Brat has continued to warn, anyone relying on 4 Gen or 4+ Gen aircraft are putting their pilots and their national defense in serious jeopardy. (think Justin and Canada) and anyone else that seeks to "go it alone" with the Samo Samo, old birds or rejuvenated old birds are in trouble.

in any regard, we must bring 5 Gen to maturity,, I do believe the US Marines and the USAF are working it! and they will be ready to fight on day one, combat readiness is a fragile quality that must be aimed for to achieve...

Sadly in the selfish world we live in, others seek to take our Piece of the Rock, and to take our Peace.... Americans are not a warlike and angry people, with the exception of those who expect everyone else to do everything for them, yes, half of those in half the households have been raised to expect a handout and blame everyone else when they fail.

Let me also say, that we would be money and peace ahead to bring back the F-22B, new and improved, and forget for the moment a six gen "wet dream"...there's a time for wet dreaming, but now is the time to whet our sword and prepare for the inevitable. In the US, our God will bring us to judgement, probably sooner, rather than later? We ought to turn back to him and make our plea for forgiveness and redemption,,, as the good Catholic say "Lord hear our Prayer!"

those who have a desire to spend eternity in the presence of a Holy and Righteous God,,, would be well served by putting on "Sack Cloth and Ashes", and declaring once again our Love of the Master, and follow His Command to Love One Another!

so I would encourage each of you, to do what you are able, yourself and all those who look to you for leadership, to seek and ensue Peace!
 
Israels F-35s, like China's J-20 and Russia's SU-57 are not quite ready for "prime time" .... but as the Air Force Brat has continued to warn, anyone relying on 4 Gen or 4+ Gen aircraft are putting their pilots and their national defense in serious jeopardy. (think Justin and Canada) and anyone else that seeks to "go it alone" with the Samo Samo, old birds or rejuvenated old birds are in trouble.

in any regard, we must bring 5 Gen to maturity,, I do believe the US Marines and the USAF are working it! and they will be ready to fight on day one, combat readiness is a fragile quality that must be aimed for to achieve...

Sadly in the selfish world we live in, others seek to take our Piece of the Rock, and to take our Peace.... Americans are not a warlike and angry people, with the exception of those who expect everyone else to do everything for them, yes, half of those in half the households have been raised to expect a handout and blame everyone else when they fail.

Let me also say, that we would be money and peace ahead to bring back the F-22B, new and improved, and forget for the moment a six gen "wet dream"...there's a time for wet dreaming, but now is the time to whet our sword and prepare for the inevitable. In the US, our God will bring us to judgement, probably sooner, rather than later? We ought to turn back to him and make our plea for forgiveness and redemption,,, as the good Catholic say "Lord hear our Prayer!"

those who have a desire to spend eternity in the presence of a Holy and Righteous God,,, would be well served by putting on "Sack Cloth and Ashes", and declaring once again our Love of the Master, and follow His Command to Love One Another!

so I would encourage each of you, to do what you are able, yourself and all those who look to you for leadership, to seek and ensue Peace!
Amen!
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Jan 22, 2018
6530/34 is about192
... etc. (dated JAN. 18, 2018): Belgium – F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Aircraft
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related:
UK submits bid for Belgium fighter competition, pitting Typhoon against F-35
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Britain has pitched a range of strategic and industrial tie-ups to the Belgian government as part of a bid to secure a deal to supply Eurofighter Typhoon jets to replace the country’s aging F-16 fleet.

“The proposal includes 34 Typhoon aircraft, underpinned by the offer of a deep strategic, defence and industrial partnership between the Governments of Belgium and the U.K.,” the British Ministry of Defence said in a statement.

Feb. 14 was the deadline date for the submission of best and final bids for the Belgian air combat capability program. A decision on the winning contractor is expected later this year with the fleet being delivered starting 2023.

British Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson, in Brussels for
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, said the jets offer Belgium a “formidable capability which forms the backbone of European air power, as well as a comprehensive long-term defense and industrial partnership with the U.K. A unique partnership with the RAF and integration with our world-leading support service mean Belgium’s selection of the Typhoon would be a powerful demonstration of us working together to support security across the continent.”

The British are leading the Typhoon bid on behalf of the Eurofighter nations in a formal competition with the Lockheed Martin F-35A to replace 54 F-16s. Germany, Italy and Spain are also part of the Eurofighter partnership.

The U.S. State Department said last month it had
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to the Belgians in a deal which could be worth up to $6.5 billion.

Earlier this month the U.S. confirmed it had responded to the request for final offers.

“The F-35 Joint Program Office invested considerable effort to craft an offer that enables our Belgian allies to acquire the F-35’s unmatched capabilities well within the budget specified by the [Belgian] Strategic Vision for Defense 2030,” said the U.S. government.

Speaking recently to an audience of alliance and industry partners, US Charge d’Affaires, , Matthew Lussenhop said a F-35 purchase would pay big dividends for Belgium.

“Joining the F-35 program provides access to technology that support all of Belgium’s essential security interests and opens the door to related projects with potential returns well in excess of the initial investment — just like the F-16 program has in the past,” he said.

Lockheed Martin and engine maker Pratt & Whitney both have memoranda of agreement with a number of Belgian companies.

It may not be a two-horse race though. The French government and Dassault are also somewhere in the mix. They declined to formally respond to requests for proposals, claiming they had more to offer than bid requirements which, they said, were too restrictive.

Instead the French have been offering Belgium what has been described as a deep and structured economic and military partnership.

Dassault Aviation chairman and CEO Eric Trappier on Feb. 13 signed 13 cooperation agreements with Belgian companies as part of an offer of the Rafale in a proposed government-to-government deal. That signing is “part of the proposal of the Franco-Belgian strategic partnership concerning the jet fighter,” Dassault said in a statement.

The French proposal of the Rafale falls outside the Belgian tender, as Paris seeks to build a broad bilateral relationship aimed mainly to counter an offer of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.Those cooperation agreements bring to more than 30 contracts signed with Belgian partners for activities including service for the Rafale, training of aeronautical engineers and work on drone projects, the company said. Other areas include automating production lines, simulation, research on advanced material and predictive maintenance.

Among the local partners were Sabca, Safran Aero Booster and Thales Belgium. The former is the Belgian unit of Dassault Aviation.Following an order, Dassault, Safran and Thales are committed to investing in Belgium at least €20 billion over 20 years, and supporting more than 5,000 high technology jobs, the aircraft builder said. Dozens more agreements with local partners would be signed as part of a campaign by French companies to invest in the Belgian economy, Trappier said.

The status of the French bid is unclear at this point.

The French decision was not the first left field move by expected bidders. Boeing pulled the F/A 18 E/F Super Hornet from the contest last April citing issues with the fairness of the bidding process.

Not long after that Saab unexpectedly withdrew the Gripen E saying they could not meet Belgian operational support requirements without a change of Swedish Government foreign policy.

For their part the British are, on the military front, offering to further strengthen co-operation between the two air force, integrate the Belgians into Royal Air Force support arrangements and form a training partnership which involves training and exercising together.

The British are also offering to help establish a National Network Cyber Centre, a Cyber Innovation Centre and a Cyber Research Partnership, underpinned by a partnership between the two governments.

U.K. Typhoon lead contractor BAE Systems and others, have been signing industrial co-operation deals with Belgian industry. As of Feb. 7 BAE said it had signed agreements with more than 20 Belgian companies to explore potential collaboration opportunities as part of a wide-ranging Eurofighter industrial proposal.

Despite the efforts by the Europeans to entice the Belgians with attractive strategic and industrial offers Doug Barrie, the senior air analyst at the International Institute of Strategic Studies reckons the F-35 remains the aircraft to beat.

“My money is on the F-35, particularly if the Belgians insist on retaining the ability to deploy B-61 freefall nuclear weapons to match the capability they have on the F-16,” said Barrie. “The F-35 is the only aircraft in the competition presently able to do that. Rafale is wired to deploy nuclear free fall weapons but they are French.”
 
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Bombed-up
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: F-35B Joint Strike Fighter from test unit at Pax Patuxent
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Air Station carries out flutter & buffet test flight Feb 1 carrying 2,000- and 1,000-pound guided-bomb
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and AIM-9X
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. JSF carries external weapons when stealth isn't needed.

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since I now read
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I post:
If the
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had one more dollar to spend — and he probably will with the
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— he’d use it to upgrade Navy ships’ electronics to take full advantage of the
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, he said this morning. The Marines’
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have the sensors to gather vast amounts of data and the computer smarts to “fuse” and make sense of it, experts tell us, but the Navy amphibious warships it will fly from lack the
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to download and use all that intelligence.

“Right now we’re not even close to having that discussion with some of our amphibs, particularly the big deck amphibs,” Neller said. (That’s the LHA and LHD classes, often referred to as
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). “We’re putting a fifth gen airplane on that amphib and we’re running a less than fifth gen command and control suite. And so to me that would be the first thing.”

It’s worth noting that
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was speaking off the cuff after I asked him about his priorities at an event hosted by the
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. As it was, Neller thought aloud for a moment about various Marine Corps needs, from
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to
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to clear the seas, before saying his top priority would be command, control, and networking upgrades to fully exploit the capabilities of the F-35. Nevertheless, this morning’s remarks give a pretty good preview of what the Marines will be telling Congress.

“We don’t have to have just… more ships, we’ve got to have more capable ships,” Neller said in his opening remarks. In particular, he went on, “the F-35 is a very capable airplane, but it’s got to be able to network. It will not realize its capability unless you can network that thing. You’ve got to exchange information not just between other airplanes, but (with) the ships that are in the fleet and….the force that’s going to go ashore.”

So, if you had that one more dollar, I asked Neller a few minutes later, what would you spend it on?

“That’s a tough question,” Neller replied. “Where’s the tradeoff, where’s the knee in the curve, between just more iron and better capability? I’d say the answer is in the middle. To buy a whole bunch of ships that don’t have survivability, that don’t have command and control, that don’t have air defense, that don’t have some form of surface-to-surface strike, is not going to solve the problem.”

Neller went on to reiterate his past statement that the Marines need the Navy to buy
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to clear the seas of enemy forces so the Corps can get ashore. But then he went back immediately to the electronics of command and control. While the hull, mechanical, and engineering systems of a ship can last for decades, when it comes to what “the command and control suite is going to be, you’ve got to build that thing with a little more
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” (i.e. be easier to upgrade), he said, “because if it takes five to seven years to build a ship. Who knows what the communications technology is going to be in five years?”

It’s from this remark that Neller went on to say matching 5th generation fighters with 5th generation command and control would be “the first thing” to get additional funding.

“A Fifth Generation Marine Corps”

“Fifth Generation” is an aerospace term referring to the latest US multi-role fighters, the F-22 and F-35, with their combination of stealth, advanced sensors, and sophisticated computing to “fuse” information from different sensors into a single coherent picture easily understood (in theory) by the pilot. At recent fora such as the Surface Navy Association, Neller has started talking in broad strokes about upgrading the rest of the force to match, what he’s been calling a “
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.” His deputy commandant for combat developments,
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, spoke at the
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in San Diego about 5th generation urban warfare and 5th gen
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that would bring F-35-like information gathering to the ground force. But this morning is the most specific I’ve heard a Marine Corps leader get about priorities.

There’s a real need to upgrade both technology and the training of the humans who use it, independent experts told us. “The F-35 airframe is a large flying computer that is surrounded by an extensive sensor web,” said retired Navy captain
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, now with the Center for a New American Security. “The spatial awareness that it provides its pilot is exceptional, and one of the concerns that I have raised in the past with senior leaders is whether young F-35 pilots are going to be experienced enough and wise enough to make full use of the information that is provided to them.”

It’s not just the pilots in the planes, Hendrix continued, it’s the officers on the ships. Different ships have more or less modern equipment depending on when they last got an upgrade, but “almost none of our ships are equipped communications-wise to make full use of all of the information an F-35 can send to them in real time,” he told me. “If one F-35 pilot, through his
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, can get a 3-D understanding of the 360-degree bubble that is around him out for hundreds of miles, how do you convey several of those ‘bubbles’ back to the ship and the leadership embarked there simultaneously, especially if those F-35s are flying out different vectors and ranges from the ship?”

“The introduction of the F-35B to the fleet is a considerable upgrade; it cannot be seen as just an updated AV-8B,” agreed retired commander
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, now with the Hudson Institute. “The key to getting our money’s worth is ensuring that the sensor data that the F-35B generates gets off the plane and back to the shooters. It is important to recognize the huge philosophy shift that General Neller is giving a glimpse of. The F-35B, in addition to being a MEU asset, is a fleet asset, and the incredible information that it generates has to find its way to the fleet. ”

The problem even predates the F-35, said Robbin Laird, a well-connected consultant and
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. When the Marines replaced CH-46 helicopters that could fly at most 100 nautical miles from a ship with
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that could fly over 400, they outgrew the command and control capabilities of Marine Expeditionary Units and the Amphibious Ready Groups they sail on.

“It is not so much and F-35 issue as it is a fleet issue,” Laird said. “With the coming of the Osprey, the classic ARG-MEU which operated within a 200 square mile box was over time shifted to a distributed force operating over a much larger area and C2 issues emerged rapidly.” That issue of scale just becomes more pressing with each new system fielded: not just the F-35 itself but also the America-class big deck amphib, the
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heavy lift helicopter, and the future
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scout drone.

In budgets to date, “the Navy has prioritized the carriers and their needs over the amphibious fleet, but with the innovations in the amphibious fleet, attitudes are changing,” Laird said. “The Navy needs to adjust its C2 investments to the emergence of the new amphibious task force empowered by airpower transformation.”

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the rest of the above article:
Quality over Quantity

The Commandant’s call to upgrade the ships, not just build more, was just one reflection of his general emphasis on quality over quantity. “I would trade numbers of ships for capability if I had (to), if that was the trade,” Gen. Neller told the AWIBC gathering.

For example, one of the earlier speakers, Senate seapower subcommittee chairman
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, had urged accelerating production of the
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. Wickers called for closing the currently planned gap of seven years between delivering the
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, now ready to begin construction, and the as-yet unnamed LHD-9. Gen. Neller endorsed this idea with a marked note of caution:

“Moving some of the hull forms to the left would be good, but then again the Navy’s going to have to recruit, because you can’t just have the ships, you’ve got to have the sailors , you’ve got to have a crew,” he said. (The Navy’s currently about 7,000 sailors short).” I’ve got plenty of Marines to put on those ships.”

Now, Neller clearly wants more amphibious ships: The current total in service is 32, war plans require 38, and meeting all the theater combatant commanders’ demands would take “about 50,” he said But, equally clearly, he doesn’t want more at the expense of better. That extends beyond better electronics to integrate the F-35 and, just to name programs he mentioned this morning, includes
  • long-range precision firepower to attack surface targets on land and sea from
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    and other launchers;
  • more
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    and
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    (“connectors”), including future robotic ones — “one day,” he said, “they’ll all be autonomous”;
  • a new
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    scout ahead; and
  • a fourth Puller-class
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    ship, formerly known as the Afloat Forward Staging Base.
  • With the
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    reorienting the armed forces from counterinsurgency to great power threats like
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    and
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    , Neller said, “we’re looking at all the things we’ve… not had to deal with for the past 17 years.. with the
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    and
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    , things like that.”
But the F-35 is clearly at the top of the Commandant’s mind, and the pressure is mounting to get the fleet ready to make full use of it. “The F-35 is bouncing on the
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right now,” Neller said. “We’re not waiting. This isn’t something that’s going to happen, it’s happening. 13th MEU is going out this fall with F-35.”
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