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Feb 2, 2017
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Lockheed Martin will not sue over the way the Pentagon handled the contract for the ninth lot of F-35 joint strike fighters, a top executive confirmed to Defense News.

Orlando Carvalho, executive vice president of the company's aeronautics division, said in an interview that Lockheed Martin was moving on from the disagreement over low-rate initial production Lot 9, where the government imposed a unilateral contract agreement on the company.

“We have resolved our differences with the government over LRIP 9 and we have accepted LRIP 9, and that’s behind us,” Carvalho said. “It’s a done deal.”

Company officers had indicated they were looking at legal options since the contract was awarded in November, but that no longer appears to be on the table.

Carvalho also stressed that the company believes its Blueprint for Affordability initiative, which looks for ways to drive cost down on the manufacturing of the plane, will continue to find ways to reduce pricing moving forward, even as the production rate stabilizes in the coming years, perhaps moving beyond the target price of $85 million for an F-35A model.

“For the last number of years we’ve been talking about $85 [million per plane],” he said.

"We’re going to continue to do everything we can to get costs out of the airplane.”
LOLOL the target is the block-buy, not one bil or so of a difference
 
Feb 16, 2017
Jan 13, 2017
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Navy to Test Fix for F-35C Catapult Problem Next Week

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"Babione said Lockheed and partners recently finished some testing at Naval Air Engineering Station Lakehurst in New Jersey, “trying two different techniques. One was changing the way the pilot straps in — how they get into the seat, how do they pull their harnesses,” he said.

Additionally, he said, “we changed the hold-back fixture … a little less load holding the airplane back when it launches” which reduces the stored energy in the nose gear.

Engineers haven’t yet determined whether one of or both techniques will be implemented, Babione said. Testing crews “will want to go back out to the carrier … sometime this fall,” he said."

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Feb 16, 2017

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"Babione said Lockheed and partners recently finished some testing at Naval Air Engineering Station Lakehurst in New Jersey, “trying two different techniques. One was changing the way the pilot straps in — how they get into the seat, how do they pull their harnesses,” he said.

Additionally, he said, “we changed the hold-back fixture … a little less load holding the airplane back when it launches” which reduces the stored energy in the nose gear.

Engineers haven’t yet determined whether one of or both techniques will be implemented, Babione said. Testing crews “will want to go back out to the carrier … sometime this fall,” he said."

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In the next few weeks, Lockheed Martin expects to see a preliminary report on a potential fix for a nose gear problem on the F-35C, with an eye on doing live carrier trials in the fall.

The company has also recently finished doing repairs to 47 jets in various stages of production, following last fall’s issue with insulation around a coolant line.

Tests conducted last year on the USS George Washington led to
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that the F-35C model would bob up and down on its nose gear when being launched from a catapult. The issue was bad enough that pilots said they could not read instruments while trying to take flight. A number of pilots also said they experienced pain from the motion.

Jeff Babione, Lockheed’s F-35 program head, told reporters Tuesday that tests for two potential fixes just concluded at Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst, with a report expected in the coming “weeks to months.”

The first option involves changing the way the pilots strap into the jet, which Babione said includes looking at “how they get into the seat, how they pull their harnesses and make sure they are in proper position.” The second option is looking at having “just a little bit less load holding the airplane back when it launches off the catapult” in order to reduce the stored energy in the nose gear.

“Initial indications are some of those techniques have improved. Whether or not they are good enough for the operator, that has yet to be determined,” Babione said, before adding he was “certain” the Navy would want to take the planes out and do live tests on a carrier, likely in late summer or early fall.

While that issue is ongoing, the company has just put to rest another production issue left over from last fall.

Thirteen F-35A models used by the US Air Force, as well as two for the Norwegian Air Force, were grounded in September due a problem with faulty insulation placed around coolant lines. The design of the plane has the coolant lines traveling through where fuel is stored, although only on the outer tip of the wing. The insulation placed around that coolant line to keep it from being affected by the warm fuel was found to be decomposing into the fuel.

While those active jets were repaired by mid-November, another 47 planes in various stages of production, both at Lockheed’s Fort Worth facility and at the final assembly and checkout location in Italy, were found to also have the same issue and had to be repaired, work the company has just now completed

Babione would not say how much money the fixes are costing the company, but he did express relief that a creative solution involving small circular cuts in the wings meant the planes did not need to be totally stripped of their coatings.

It also served as a lesson for the company to double-check its vendors.

“We’ve redoubled our efforts to make sure we’re getting a quality part, to make sure nothing like this happens again,” Babione said. “This only impacted 50-something jets. If the production ramp had been much higher, it would have been [more significant].”
 
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Litchfield said the Joint Strike Fighter went to the Air Force’s Red Flag exercise and performed with a 90-percent readiness rate, which “has got to give you great confidence in the aircraft.”

or you picked the thirteen machines which were in the best shape maybe, huh?
 

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I'm confused . I thought that's what a JDAM is. With lil research JDAM can be upgraded and configured for moving target acquisition as well.

What's this new paragon crap? More fleecing of the tax paying public?
Ypu have people whi will always and forever make moutnains out of mole hills...or out of nothing at all...when it comes to the F-35.

The F-35 is going to become a unqulaified great uccess all around, in all three versions...if we can simply get the naysayers toned down by adults who take the prgram forward.

It is the most tested aircraft in history...and its capabilities are going to be nothiong short of amazing.
 

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You have people whi will always and forever make moutnains out of mole hills...or out of nothing at all...when it comes to the F-35.

The F-35 is going to become a unqulaified great uccess all around, in all three versions...if we can simply get the naysayers toned down by adults who take the prgram forward.

It is the most tested aircraft in history...and its capabilities are going to be nothiong short of amazing.

???? ... How is that related to my post about JDAMs? Lol
 
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???? ... How is that related to my post about JDAMs? Lol
It's not really realted at all.

Just getting the thought off my chest is allo. not mant as a response or jam, or anything like that.

I just see some REALLY difficult stuff that the research, development, and design people are bringing forward that will give the US some tremendous gains in technological edge and force multiplication in several programs...and for the lat eight years we have had pople specifically pu into positions by politicians who want to do whatever possible to move the monies/budget away from those things...and far too often to pork-ulous projects that do nothing but either reward their onor class, or give the money in Obama-phones, or loans that people could never qualify for so that they can buy votes and influence.

The F-35, the Zumwalt, the Ford, the laser program, he rail gun program, and I could go on and on with about a dozen other cutting edge things like those that we are capable of bringing forward, but we simply have to have the will as a people to do so.

Anyhow...I'm doing it again so I wil jsut hush up now...but that was more what my comment was leaning about...nothing you said or did...just kind of squeezing out of me due to the times we live in.
 
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Two top Pentagon officials laid out a multi-pronged push to
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below $80 million apiece. The chief of the F-35 Joint Program Office, Lt. Gen.
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‘s cost reduction efforts so far. Instead, they said, contractors need to invest more of their own money in reducing cost — with suitable incentives from the government — and streamline the byzantine supply chain.

Meanwhile on the government side, under President Trump’s orders,
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is reviewing both how to reduce the cost of F-35 overall and whether to replace some of the
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with cheaper but less stealthy
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“The F-35C model vs the F-18 (review), that’s drawing nearer to end but it’s not over yet,” Bogdan said. He’s submitted data on the F-35’s current and projected performance, cost to procure, and cost to operate, he said, which is now being reviewed against Super Hornet data provided by the Navy.

“I don’t think the answer is an either/or,” Bogdan said. “You can’t substitute a Super Hornet for an F-35C in the high-end fight (i.e. against Russian or Chinese
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). You might be able to afford more Super Hornets, but
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in the high-end fight, and I don’t know how economical that is.” But, Bogdan continued, “we’re not only go to fight a high-end fight.” There are plenty of operations in lower-threat environments where the Super Hornet is perfectly suitable, he said, and with
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, the Navy needs as many planes as it can get.

As for the F-35 program in general, Bogdan’s staff has prepared a compendium of ongoing, planned, and possible cost-cutting initiatives, he said, and “that compendium is up for review with the secretary as we speak.”

Speaking separately but largely in synch at the McAleese/Credit Suisse conference here, Bogdan and Assad laid out a multi-pronged approach to cut the stealth fighter’s cost. The previous price goal was to get the cost of the basic F-35A down from
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in the latest contract to
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. Today, said Bogdan, “the new goal we’ve set is that in 2020, an A-model airplane — with engine, in 2020 dollars — is going to be below $80 million.” (The
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is the simplest of the three variants). He also wants to reduce the cost to fuel and maintain the aircraft, its Cost Per Flight Hour, by about a third.

Throughout that period, production will be ramping up with unprecedented speed, to 170 aircraft a year, which should create
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— both production efficiencies and block-buy contracts — but those savings by themselves are insufficient, said Assad. “It’s not the simple concept of, ‘well, we just increase the rate and that reduces the cost.’ That’s not what this is about,” Assad said. “This is actually reducing the cost of building the product.”

Lockheed Martin has its “
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” initiative to cut costs by $4 billion — with the government reimbursing the contractor for its investments in greater efficiency — but that effort left both Bogdan and Assad lukewarm.

“I think Blueprint For Affordability 1 was okay. Just okay. We took the low hanging fruit…. not quite as much as I thought we could,” Bogdan said. “On Blueprint For Affordability 2, I’m looking for a deeper savings, and the way I want to get the deeper savings is to get below the big top-tier suppliers.”

“Blueprint for Affordability has been modestly effective,” Assad said, damning with faint praise. “There are different ways and different approaches… that we can use to get cost reduction.”

First, Shay and Bogdan said, there are opportunities to cut out inefficiencies and unnecessary middlemen in the sprawling, complex network of roughly 1,300 subcontractors, which is less a supply chain than a supply spiderweb. “You’ve got to engage the entire supply chain, you can’t just engage up here,” Bogdan said. “We have to yet to explore that one bit (and) I think there’s a lot to be gained.”

“There’s opportunity for improvement (through) introducing more competition at the subcontractor level when we can,” Assad said. “We just don’t have enough.”

Second, contractors need to invest more of their own money in reducing cost. The Pentagon has ways to incentivize companies that do so, Assad said, authorities it’s not taking full advantage of today, he said. But that doesn’t mean defense contractors should just wait for the Pentagon to make an offer: They need to get to work on price on their own initiative, the way commercial companies do all the time. Compared to the commercial sector, Assad said, defense industry invests a lot less but buys back stock and pays out dividends a lot more.

Contractors have been cautious about investing because “we’ve been on annual procurement and the program has been topsy-turvy in the past, (but) we’re past that, we’re way past that now,” Bogdan said. “(With) a stable three-year production run, they ought to be able to take on some investment to drive some cost out of the program themselves. I don’t think that has happened fast enough.”

None of this hardball on price implies any lack of commitment to F-35, which former critic-in-chief took pains to praise in his
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: “We’ve saved taxpayers
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by bringing down the price of the fantastic new F-35 jet fighter.”

“JSF is an incredible
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from a warfighting point of view,” Assad said today, and he lauded both Bogdan and his predecessor,
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, for turning the troubled F-35 program around “technically and programmatically” — but, he said, price remains a problem.

“I believe that President Trump was right on the money when he said…
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and we had to get the cost down. He’s absolutely right,” Assad said. “(F-35) is unique in the sense that the president is focused on it, and I applaud that, I think it’s great.”

Isn’t the F-35 program pretty far along to start cutting the price significantly, one reporter asked. Assad’s reply: “We’re going to buy almost 3,000 aircraft and we’ve only bought 400. That’s not late in the game for me.”
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Top Pentagon official takes aim at F-35 cost, supply chain
The Pentagon’s director of defense pricing announced plans Wednesday for a major review of F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Program costs, with an emphasis on getting companies up and down the supply chain to find savings for the famously expensive jet.

Shay Assad, who has led the industry-focused defense pricing office since 2011, used his speech at the McAleese and Associates annual conference to announce that he is working with Lt. Gen. Chris Bogdan, the F-35 program head, to develop a “deep dive” on the cost of the F-35 — not what the Pentagon is paying per plane but rather what it should be paying up and down the supply chain.

“We know what we’re paying, but the real question is: What does it cost, and more importantly, what should it cost? That’s really where we want to go,” Assad said, adding that he wanted to look not just at prime contractor Lockheed Martin, but also the “20-25” subcontractors that make up the bulk of the supply chain.

“I’m not questioning that we are making improvement. I’m just talking about where we need to go. I’m into the details of it. And so the fact of the matter is that there is a benefit to rate and there is a benefit to efficient and effective production. We’re looking for efficient and effective production” versus savings just from scale, Assad told reporters after his speech.

Assad wants to see this review happen over the next year, saying it will probably be a “six month process that I’m talking about ... it will be in this next year. It definitely will be going on.” He added that while this may impact negotiations with Lockheed over the 11th lot of low-rate initial production jets, its true impact will be felt in the Lot 12 negotiations.

Hand in hand with that deep dive are two other steps. The first is what Assad called the “de-layering” of the supply chain, looking at “what things should we be breaking up, what makes sense, both at the prime level and at the subcontractor level.” And the other is finding ways to incentivize companies to invest their own money on driving costs down for the fifth-generation fighter.

“What we’re looking at is finding ways to get the companies to make meaningful investment in our programs,” he said, citing a figure that the defense industry has bought back $85 billion in shares over the last five years. “And it’s investment akin to what their brothers and sisters do in the commercial side of the street."

On that point, Assad stressed that this wasn’t about getting profit margins down, saying that if a company can increase its profit while driving the cost of a part down, he would be more than satisfied.

Speaking later in the day, Bogdan told reporters that Assad was one of his “speed-dial buddies” and expressed support for Assad’s goals.

“The example that I would give you is: If Lockheed is buying material four layers down the supply chain, and the two or three guys between that supplier and Lockheed are very low value added in the production process — maybe they're just issuing a purchase offer — why in heaven's name would the government want to pay overhead and a fee for that? We wouldn't, and we're going to explore some of that,” Bogdan said. “And to do that you've got to engage the supply chain. You can't just engage up here, you've got to engage all the way down, and I think that's Mr. Assad's intent, and I applaud him for that.”

Current cost reduction plan

In the latest contract negotiation between the Pentagon and Lockheed, signed in February, the price per plane of an F-35A model was $94.6 million (a 7.3 percent reduction from the previous lot); an F-35B jump-jet model used by the U.S. Marine Corps was $122.8 million (a 6.7 percent reduction from the previous lot); and an F-35C carrier version was $121.8 million (a 7.9 percent reduction from the previous lot).

On Tuesday, executives from Lockheed touted how they have driven costs down on the plane and said they are well on the way to reaching a target cost of $85 million per F-35A, with a path forward to getting that down to about $80 million. And the Lockheed team is quick to point to the Blueprint for Affordability initiative, toward which the company put small amounts of money to improve tooling and processes.

A big part of that savings comes from quantity, of course, but Orlando Carvalho, executive vice president of the company's aeronautics division, said the company is aware that the Pentagon wants to see savings that are driven from changes, not just increased numbers.

“If I drew the [cost] curve for you right now from where we started on the first plane to the airplanes we are now building, we’re already hitting that flatter part of the curve,” Carvalho said in an interview, “which is why the Blueprint [for Affordability] initiative is so important.”

Jeff Babione, the head of Lockheed’s F-35 program, said the company and its partners were set to enter “phase 2” of the initiative, having driven the price per plane through Lot 11 down by “almost $2 million.” The second phase will involve an investment of about $170 million, Babione said.

For their part, neither Assad nor Bogdan sounded very impressed by the initiative’s effectiveness so far. Assad called it “modestly effective,” saying in the future he was looking for a different model to bring cost down. Bogdan, meanwhile, said it was "just OK."

Why make this move now? Assad said only that it was the “right” time to do so, but he may have offered a hint at the top of his speech, when he spent some time praising U.S. President Donald Trump for his negotiating acumen.

Trump, of course, spent part of December terrifying Lockheed Martin over the costs of the F-35, actions, which eventually led to the launching of a study about replacing the F-35C carrier variant with new Boeing-made F/A-18 fighters.

While Trump seems to have reversed his view on the joint strike fighter — he called it “fantastic” during a February address to Congress — it is not a stretch to think the presidential attention on getting the price down for the fighter could provide some top cover for Assad to get tough in negotiations with the world’s largest defense contractor.

Assad also confirmed that he plans to stay in this role for the next four years.
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