F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

[TerraN_EmpirE]

Same thing with Raptor, there were those who derided it for not deploying to Iraq or Afghanistan, but it's first deployments were to allied states, then a few years later it was deployed to the middle East. Where it scared the socks off some Iranian phantom driver.

 

[dtulsa]

Nov 16, 2016
now:
F-35 to fight ISIS in a few years

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So let me get this right it won't be ready with full capability till 2021 almost 20 years since it as first developed Freaking Ridiculous

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

So let me get this right it won't be ready with full capability till 2021 almost 20 years since it as first developed Freaking Ridiculous

20 years ago the X35 flew, X35 is not the F35. X35 was just the airframe. It lacked the radar, lacked the f135 engine (it used a modified f119 from the Raptor) lacked the Dots, lacked the weapons launch ability, lacked the RAM coating. Lacked the final version of the lift fan. Basically it was what J20 and T50 were when they first appeared. The last 20 years was not wasted it was spent filling the empty parts of the lightning the sensor fusion, weapons, engines, RAM coating electro optics those were developed. The J20 and T50 will still take a decade to move to the same IOC level F35 is at now but they cheat as the proving of concept and development cycle was matured by lightning. It's easy to pioneer when the trail was already mapped.

 

[Jura The idiot]

20 years ago the X35 flew, X35 is not the F35. X35 was just the airframe. It lacked the radar, lacked the f135 engine (it used a modified f119 from the Raptor) lacked the Dots, lacked the weapons launch ability, lacked the RAM coating. Lacked the final version of the lift fan. Basically it was what J20 and T50 were when they first appeared. The last 20 years was not wasted it was spent filling the empty parts of the lightning the sensor fusion, weapons, engines, RAM coating electro optics those were developed. The J20 and T50 will still take a decade to move to the same IOC level F35 is at now but they cheat as the proving of concept and development cycle was matured by lightning. It's easy to pioneer when the trail was already mapped.

let me read this again .... hmmm ... would you elaborate on this sentence:

"The J20 and T50 will still take a decade to move to the same IOC level F35 is at now but they cheat as the proving of concept and development cycle was matured by lightning."

 

[Jura The idiot]

So let me get this right it won't be ready with full capability till 2021 almost 20 years since it as first developed Freaking Ridiculous

well now using google I found

"The first F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter took off on its initial test flight from Lockheed Martin in Fort Worth, Texas on 12:44 December 15, 2006 ..."

inside F-35 is Airborne!

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and as for 'full capability', as far as I understand, F-35 will first need to be independently tested with Block 3F software (only then 'block buy' and 'Block 4 with increased weapons enveloped ' contracts may be awarded), and now it seems such testing will happen in 2018

time will tell the rest

 

[Jura The idiot]

Yesterday at 10:43 PM

Nov 16, 2016
now:
F-35 to fight ISIS in a few years

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more info:
Coming Soon: F-35 Deployments

The F-35A is ready for combat and will deploy “in the spring to summer” overseas, Air Combat Command chief Gen. Hawk Carlisle told defense writers in Washington, D.C., Friday. Carlisle said he’s perfectly comfortable with the F-35A’s combat capability, recently

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where they “performed extremely well.” While it hasn’t been decided exactly where the Lightnings will go first, the thinking is it will be a “short deployment to the Pacific, and a longer deployment to Europe,” or vice-versa, Carlisle observed. The type will also deploy to the Middle East “in the not-too-distant future,” he said. Though still few in number, the operational F-35s are part of the force, Carlisle explained , and the rest of the fighter force is already oversubscribed. “It’s an operational asset. We’ll use it accordingly,” he asserted. Responding to a reporter’s question that F-35s and F-22s in Operation Inherent Resolve might be “overkill,” Carlisle said they are becoming the bulk of the force and will go where platforms are needed. He also said he’s had full confidence in the F-35 since declaring initial operational capability with the type last August.

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[TerraN_EmpirE]

let me read this again .... hmmm ... would you elaborate on this sentence:

Spell check on my phone I meant EOTS not dots.

"The J20 and T50 will still take a decade to move to the same IOC level F35 is at now but they cheat as the proving of concept and development cycle was matured by lightning."

The T50 first flew 2010 The J20 2011, X35 first flew 2000 with F35 first flight as you pointed out in 2006.
so there was 5 years between the X35 winning in 2001 and the F35A delivery during that 5 years the Radar, EOTS and early versions of the other systems and engine was developed. Furthermore that first batch was still a very LRIP birds only about 15 units from 2006-2007 these would be equivalent to the very very low number J20 ( 8 prototypes that lack features conforming closer to X35) and the current T50 ( 9? Units), but today around 200 F35 have been delivered and most of these are A and B models considered mission capable.
the Time spent between 2007 and today was getting the technology developed to allow the F35's sensors to work together through their computers and proving they could.
T50 and J20 have a advantage as They know it can work. They know that Sensor fusion is not a fantasy as They can see it working in F35.
All they have to do is figure out how it works and thanks to the same level of advanced computer tech that was rare when F35 first flew now being common off the shelf.
They have a better chance of getting it to work sooner as the Computer technology is more mature.

Then it becomes a numbers game how many can be built in a year. and again for the 200 or So F35 delivered the USAF has had a decade from 2007 to today 2017. the Chinese are at 5 LIRP birds these being equal to the units delivered in 2008 of F 35, The Russians??? so you are looking at a long time for them to build up the numbers to a proper IOC.
If we are generous and assume that at the end of this year the PRC were to start production of J20 at say 20 units a year then 10 years to 200 birds however that is assuming they go into production this year and does not consider accelerated production but a steady rate of 20 units. more likely is that neither will happen this year but that in a year or two and the units will be built in larger batches but 10 years to 200 is still pretty logical.
For the Russians I would follow production of SU35 and it gives me more or less the same maths 20 per year makes 10 years to 200 units. assuming that they move to production this year. more likely they will be lagging as they seem more focused on existing SU35 and Mig 35 production now.

 

[Jura The idiot]

Spell check on my phone I meant EOTS not dots.


The T50 first flew 2010 The J20 2011, X35 first flew 2000 with F35 first flight as you pointed out in 2006.
so there was 5 years between the X35 winning in 2001 and the F35A delivery during that 5 years the Radar, EOTS and early versions of the other systems and engine was developed. Furthermore that first batch was still a very LRIP birds only about 15 units from 2006-2007 these would be equivalent to the very very low number J20 ( 8 prototypes that lack features conforming closer to X35) and the current T50 ( 9? Units), but today around 200 F35 have been delivered and most of these are A and B models considered mission capable.
the Time spent between 2007 and today was getting the technology developed to allow the F35's sensors to work together through their computers and proving they could.
T50 and J20 have a advantage as They know it can work. They know that Sensor fusion is not a fantasy as They can see it working in F35.
All they have to do is figure out how it works and thanks to the same level of advanced computer tech that was rare when F35 first flew now being common off the shelf.
They have a better chance of getting it to work sooner as the Computer technology is more mature.

Then it becomes a numbers game how many can be built in a year. and again for the 200 or So F35 delivered the USAF has had a decade from 2007 to today 2017. the Chinese are at 5 LIRP birds these being equal to the units delivered in 2008 of F 35, The Russians??? so you are looking at a long time for them to build up the numbers to a proper IOC.
If we are generous and assume that at the end of this year the PRC were to start production of J20 at say 20 units a year then 10 years to 200 birds however that is assuming they go into production this year and does not consider accelerated production but a steady rate of 20 units. more likely is that neither will happen this year but that in a year or two and the units will be built in larger batches but 10 years to 200 is still pretty logical.
For the Russians I would follow production of SU35 and it gives me more or less the same maths 20 per year makes 10 years to 200 units. assuming that they move to production this year. more likely they will be lagging as they seem more focused on existing SU35 and Mig 35 production now.

I should've asked about the most perplexing part which was they cheat in:

... The J20 and T50 will still take a decade to move to the same IOC level F35 is at now but they cheat as the proving of concept and development cycle was matured by lightning. It's easy to pioneer when the trail was already mapped.

I mean what kind of 'cheating' by an enemy you're referring to

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

I should've asked about the most perplexing part which was they cheat in:

I mean what kind of 'cheating' by an enemy you're referring to

the Time spent between 2007 and today was getting the technology developed to allow the F35's sensors to work together through their computers and proving they could.
T50 and J20 have a advantage as They know it can work. They know that Sensor fusion is not a fantasy as They can see it working in F35.
All they have to do is figure out how it works and thanks to the same level of advanced computer tech that was rare when F35 first flew now being common off the shelf.
They have a better chance of getting it to work sooner as the Computer technology is more mature.

 

[Jura The idiot]

I should've asked about the most perplexing part which was they cheat in:

I mean what kind of 'cheating' by an enemy you're referring to

the Time spent between 2007 and today was getting the technology developed to allow the F35's sensors to work together through their computers and proving they could.
T50 and J20 have a advantage as They know it can work. They know that Sensor fusion is not a fantasy as They can see it working in F35.
All they have to do is figure out how it works and thanks to the same level of advanced computer tech that was rare when F35 first flew now being common off the shelf.
They have a better chance of getting it to work sooner as the Computer technology is more mature.

in the meantime I realized it was my language issue:

I missed this meaning of the verb "cheat":
2.
avoid (something undesirable) by luck or skill.

(was assuming
1.
act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage.)

it's on top of what google tells me about "cheating":

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