F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

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expensive is OK with me but I tried to bring up this: 'they' (the Pentagon, LockMart through their journalists) are right now trying to make an impression F-35 is 'getting cheap', and they do so by simply not quoting the full cost; will give just one example which is the first sentence from

"The U.S. Department of Defense and Lockheed Martin Corp are close to deal for a contract worth almost $9 billion as negotiations are poised to bring the price per F-35 below $100 million for the first time, people familiar with the talks said Wednesday."

time will tell the rest, I guess


Well Babe, I love you, but does it occur to you they may be trying to save the program from the multitude of negative Nellie's, in the US things are much more fluid. Look at the F-22, gone because of lots of negative Nellie yapping. The most capable airplane on the planet, killed by the flappers and the liberal contingent would declared the "threats" null and void. The F-22 was just coming into the "Glory Days", costs were coming down, and quality going up!

as well people are listing the total costs on F-35 as 1 Trillion + including maintenance and upgrades over the life of the airplane.....

Lockmart has been and continues to be a "Faithful Partner", and has given us some truly amazing aircraft starting with the P-38 Lightning of WWII???
 

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Well Babe, I love you, but does it occur to you they may be trying to save the program from the multitude of negative Nellie's, in the US things are much more fluid. Look at the F-22, gone because of lots of negative Nellie yapping. The most capable airplane on the planet, killed by the flappers and the liberal contingent would declared the "threats" null and void. The F-22 was just coming into the "Glory Days", costs were coming down, and quality going up!

as well people are listing the total costs on F-35 as 1 Trillion + including maintenance and upgrades over the life of the airplane.....

Lockmart has been and continues to be a "Faithful Partner", and has given us some truly amazing aircraft starting with the P-38 Lightning of WWII???

1st/ The price is the price for buy in a life not interesting useless but RAM coating are more expensive to maintain i think a F-16 cost 18 - 20000 $/ fl hour F-35 about 24000 more complex also for electronic. Logicaly also an inferior readiness.

Pugachave and Nellie's ? sorry but you use American' s expression i can't understand ;)

I hope with the new President not too changes about US military strategy in Europe this new Armored Bde ( rotational unit only ) is a good step after many year of decrease as i have mentionned in the US topic obviously decrease in all areas but much in Europe it is clear the focus is in Asia wher the need is undoubtley with a robust ramp up and i am very well informed for know it with all my datas, books etc... from very long time but an increase of 80 bill for budget it is a big step but think to old Europe also...
ideally USAREUR need again 1 - 2 brigades for have a force of about 2 Div, a Corps

Planned actualy 60 % of the forces oriented about in Asia-Pacific and 40 % Atlantic reverse during 1980's.

And i am completely aware European countries must also increase thei forces dvided by 2 - 3 from 25 years but they have realized now level force stabilized and an litle ramp up planned for 2020 with budget more big to 2 % brut i fact 1.8 % about of GDP now much countries only 1.5 %.
 
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Air Force Brat

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1st/ The price is the price for buy in a life not interesting useless but RAM coating are more expensive to maintain i think a F-16 cost 18 - 20000 $/ fl hour F-35 about 24000 more complex also for electronic. Logicaly also an inferior readiness.

Pugachave and Nellie's ? sorry but you use American' s expression i can't understand ;)

I hope with the new President not too changes about US military strategy in Europe this new Armored Bde ( rotational unit only ) is a good step after many year of decrease as i have mentionned in the US topic obviously decrease in all areas but much in Europe it is clear the focus is in Asia wher the need is undoubtley with a robust ramp up and i am very well informed for know it with all my datas, books etc... from very long time but an increase of 80 bill for budget it is a big step but think to old Europe also...
ideally USAREUR need again 1 - 2 brigades for have a force of about 2 Div, a Corps

Planned actualy 60 % of the forces oriented about in Asia-Pacific and 40 % Atlantic reverse during 1980's.

And i am completely aware European countries must also increase thei forces dvided by 2 - 3 from 25 years but they have realized now level force stabilized and an litle ramp up planned for 2020 with budget more big to 2 % brut i fact 1.8 % about of GDP now much countries only 1.5 %.

I was saying I'd give 100 bucks to see Pugachev fly a full on routine in the F-35, of course no OVT, which may slow the pitch transitions slightly. The US doesn't really allow their birds to be flown with the same "showmanship" as the Russians, in fact Max MOGA, the first F-22 demo pilot made a point of telling that he NEVER got anywhere near "departing" the aircraft, so his demo's lacked some of the Holy Krap Kool of Pugachev and the other Russian boys demo's.

I want the best bang for the buck, but cancelling the F-22 to save the F-35 wasn't very smart?? Buying F-18s to "replace" the F-35 is just damned ignorant, and the stealth coating on the F-35 requires very little maintenance as it is integral with the aircraft skin from production. It is expensive, but it is also survivable.

Chris Bogdan has been a great project manager for the F-35, and he did get this whole program producing and coming down in price! Theres not a lot of "pork" left on the F-35, Chris Bogdan has run this program with an "Iron Fist", to suggest that LockMart or the Air Force are ignorant or thieves is below sub intelligent? The best strategy to lower the costs of the F-35 are to build a bunch of them, had we built the full complement of F-22s 700, the total cost would likely have been about the same money we paid for 187 birds, so getting your supply line efficient, as well as your production line is the real secret to driving costs down on the F-35!
 

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Going for do her 1st Red Flag true right now only in guest

First Red Flag exercise for the F-35

The Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II on Monday 23 January kicks off its very first participation in the US Air Force’s famous Red Flag exercise at Nellis Air Force Base near Las Vegas. The F-35s involved belong to the 388th Fighter Wing and 419th Fighter Wing at Hill Air Force Base.

Red Flag is widely regarded as the most prestigious air warfare exercise anywhere. While involved in the exercise, the Hill F-35s will fly alongside dozens of other fighter aircraft and provide offensive and defensive counter air, suppression of enemy air defenses, and limited close air support. Among the other aircraft are also Lockheed Martin F-22A Raptors

The US Air Force declared the F-35A combat ready in August last year. Red Flag marks the first major exercise since then. “Our airmen are excited to bring the F-35 to a full-spectrum combat exercise,” said Col. David Lyons, 388th FW commander. “This battle space is going to be a great place to leverage our stealth and interoperability. It’s a lethal platform and I’m confident we will prove to be an invaluable asset to the commander.”

“Red Flag is hands-down the best training in the world to ensure our Airmen are fully mission ready,” said Col. David Smith, 419th FW commander. “It’s as close to combat operations as you can get. Our Reserve pilots and maintainers are looking forward to putting the F-35A weapon system to the test alongside our active duty partners to bring an unprecedented combat capability.”

The current edition of Red Flag runs until 10 February.

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This is a big deal, and we are going to get an idea of just how amazing the F-35 really is, this will be an "eye-opener" for the naysayers and negative "Nellies" who can't stop their lips from flapping. YES, IT IS EXPENSIVE, and worth every dime! That's why those Marine B models are in Japan dudes, they will protect the peace, and project power, in a highly efficient manner! or if somebody decides to "play games" they can play with the Princess! LOL

So, now when we roll this girl into the real world, there will be issues, that's how you "prove" your metal, you get it into the fight, Red Flag sounds benign to the "unlearned", but RED FLAG is a "crucible", you apply lots and lots of heat, and see what melts, and then you fix it!
 
LOL I think I know the meaning of 'narrative'
so Lockheed CEO: F-35A Price to Drop Below $100M in Next Contract
A deal for the tenth lot of F-35s will put the Air Force’s A model under $100 million per plane for the first time, and Lockheed Martin is on track to bring unit costs for an F-35A to $85 million in 2019, the company’s CEO said Tuesday.

A comparison with past estimates shows that these figures are on track with Defense Department and Lockheed’s own expectations, and do not necessarily reflect a decrease in unit prices caused by President Trump’s public critique of the program.

Trump has been hammering the joint strike fighter since December, frequently stating that the price of the aircraft is “out of control” and calling for an alternative in Boeing’s Super Hornet.

During a Tuesday earnings call, Lockheed CEO Marillyn Hewson defended the company’s trajectory of cost reduction, citing its Blueprint for Affordability initiatives. Perhaps even more fascinatingly, she painted Lockheed’s relationship with the new president as cooperative — a depiction at odds with the more antagonistic tenor of Trump’s public comments about the fighter jet.

“His focus is on, how do we drive the cost down aggressively, and I think we, along with our industry partners, are right in line with him on doing that. We have a lot of ideas on how we can do that in the future” she said.

“The meetings that we've had have been very productive, very good dialogue. He asks excellent questions and he is really focused on making sure that costs come down on the program,” she said. “It's not about slashing our profit. It's not about our margins.”

Hewson’s comments in some ways match the reassuring tone struck by Defense Secretary James Mattis. During his confirmation hearing, Mattis told senators that Trump has "in no way shown a lack of support for the program,” but wants to see Lockheed bring prices down.

Hewson has met twice with Trump to speak about the program, most recently on Jan. 13. After that meeting, she told reporters that the Defense Department and Lockheed were “very close” to a deal on the tenth batch of joint strike fighters — an assertion she repeated during the earnings call.

“The LRIP 10 price, as currently proposed, would represent a reduction of over 60 percent from the first LRIP 1 aircraft, and this demonstrates a learning curve as efficient as any achieved on any modern tactical fighter aircraft,” she said.

The LRIP 10 contract will also mark a sharp production increase, from 57 aircraft in LRIP 9 to about 90 F-35s in the tenth batch. F-35 Program Executive Officer Lt. Gen. Christopher Bogdan said late last year that he expected to see unit prices fall about 6 percent between the two orders.

Lockheed CFO Bruce Tanner predicted that the F-35 will have “sequential, year-after-year margin improvements” leading up to full rate production, and that LRIP 10 would not deviate from that path.

The company hopes to finalize negotiations on LRIP 11 in 2017. If orders increase as planned, Lockheed will be on track to offer the F-35A at $85 million per copy in LRIP 13 — a 2019 order comprised of about 200 jets, according to a chart shown by Hewson during the call.
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now I read
Israel Air Force Chief Sings F-35's Praises, But Warns of Growing Missile Threat
Israel’s top Air Force officer on Tuesday praised the “revolutionary” operational potential of its new fifth-generation fighter – the F-35 Adir – yet warned that growing anti-aircraft threats could mean that part of its fourth-generation force could be downed in combat.

Speaking at the annual conference of Israel’s Institute for National Security Studies (INSS), Maj. Gen. Amir Eshel, IAF Commander, singled out Russian-deployed S400s in Syria, which he said “brings critical capability” that could challenge Israeli operations in the region.

“Clearly we will encounter threats we never encountered before … in the air and from the ground,” Eshel said of the S400 and a spectrum of other threats posed by regional states and non-state actors.

“From all those threats, yes, there will be an ability to thwart part of the activities of the IAF. I don’t delude myself. We are preparing ourselves so this interference is kept to the bare minimum … but part of our activities will be thwarted. That’s clear. Part of our planes will fall. That’s clear. That’s part of war, but [these threats] will never be able to stop us,” Eshel said.

As for the F-35, the first pair of which were delivered into IAF hands last month, Eshel said the US-produced stealth fighter will lift the rest of Israel’s fourth-generation frontline force of F-15I and F-16I fighters into the next generation and preserve its air power supremacy for decades to come.

“It’s more than just an aircraft. It will transform the entire service into a much more effective, much more lethal force,” Eshel said.

“We are not adapting the F-35 to the IAF. That would be a mistake. Rather, we’re adapting the IAF to the F-35. We’ll learn how to do this so that all of the force will rise to the fifth generation,” he said.

Israel’s top air force officer said he was undeterred by criticism directed at the F-35 program, and that the return on investment was well worth the cost.

“There’s a lot of criticism that this doesn’t work and that doesn’t work. But whoever has a smart phone knows that software changes all the time. This is a smart plane, and there will be different upgrades and versions. … What’s important is that it will know how to operate in places that nothing else can, with a very high level of effectiveness across the spectrum of threats and operational scenarios.”

In an address devoted to the singular attributes of airpower, Eshel said the F-35 embodied flexibility, speed, agility and survivability that has become a central element of Israeli force strength. “It’s a revolution; far better than anything we have and anything that is flying in this region,” he said.

According to the IAF commander, Israeli airpower must be prepared to operate in multiple domains, from anti-terror threats close to home to more advanced threats in neighboring states all the way to strike and intelligence collection operations conducted “thousands of kilometers away.”

“The air domain allows us to deal with a spectrum of threats near and very far away,” he said.

Eshel insisted that no other tool of military power, whether it involves cyber, special ops or land and sea forces, is equipped to deal as effectively as airpower, especially when fighting in three theaters simultaneously.

“The Israel Defense Forces demands that we be prepared to fight in three theaters simultaneously …. Our air assets can be in the northern theater in the morning, in places much farther away in the afternoon, and in the evening, operating in Gaza. That’s what’s demanded and there’s no other force that can do this but airpower.”

In his address to the INSS audience, retired US Air Force Gen. Gary North, vice president for customer requirements at Lockheed Martin, also cited threats posed by Russian S400s in Syria and the benefits of operating the F-35 in a high-threat environment.

“The combination of stealth and sensor fusion – from space and other airplanes – gives the individual aviator in the cockpit information and allows him or her to share it with others flying in formation and other airborne platforms and to disseminate it all down to command and control facilities on the ground,” North said.

Israel’s F-35 Adir force, said North, provides strategic deterrence as well as the ability to enjoy freedom of movement not provided by the very best of fourth-generation aircraft. “The Adir uses stealth to get very close and to enable operational decisions as to whether to engage or disengage.”
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