F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

[Jura The idiot]

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We should have a preliminary report on the F-35 fire within a week or two??? and they will tell us if its serious, or just an errant perfect storm?...

yeah I enjoy reading those press-releases, perfectly worded ... whatever happened, they would turn it into a success (OK an opportunity to learn, identifying the room for improvement

 

[FORBIN]

Good news Jura, and as Jeff Head predicted Lock Mart is moving rapidly on a solution, and as I predicted, it is all out in the open and above board. The fire a week later is of course very disappointing, but as I have stated before, the F-135 is a "Hotted UP" version of the F-119, physically larger, and generating an Un-Godly amount of heat in order to up efficiency and power out-put.

That's why Western engines have a much greater specific power output than "communist block" engines, and while the Russians are having some success, the Chinese continue to struggle to get the WS-15 into serious test. That un-Godly heat is a virtual Hell for engine components, and significantly cuts down on parts life, and causes engines to be "at risk". Here we see that everybody who is "playing with fire", plays by the same rules, and things do go south.

We should have a preliminary report on the F-35 fire within a week or two??? and they will tell us if its serious, or just an errant perfect storm? perhaps some imperfection in the engine casing allowed flame to get somewhere it wasn't supposed to???

Or perhaps the WS-15 engines are far more advance than the Russian or Western one that requires a lot more stringent development? After all Westerners don't like to see or hear that China is doing better than them?

Nah the best is the engine of the Rafale, M-88, two can be changed in 1.5 hour ! finaly a modern fighter easy to maintain

 

[Air Force Brat]

Or perhaps the WS-15 engines are far more advance than the Russian or Western one that requires a lot more stringent development? After all Westerners don't like to see or hear that China is doing better than them?

I agree the West needs to stay two steps ahead to maintain the peace, and living in the US, you well know our lack of ill intent toward anyone of similar peaceful intentions.

The WS-15 will populate on the tail of the J-20 when it reaches a serviceable state.

 

[Air Force Brat]

Nah the best is the engine of the Rafale, M-88, two can be changed in 1.5 hour ! finaly a modern fighter easy to maintain

That is indeed amazing, and I have been working on getting that 400 Pontiac back together to repower the old "black bird" for two months, LOL.

Rings, Rod and Main bearings, 6X heads redone at the machine shop, yep I'm broke, disgusted, and just pray that it runs????

 

[Equation]

I agree the West needs to stay two steps ahead to maintain the peace, and living in the US, you well know our lack of ill intent toward anyone of similar peaceful intentions.
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Peace at the cost of others? Is that why our regime changing policy hasn't worked too well lately and therefore Karma is biting us in the butts lately? Oh and please don't blame it on Obama or Liberal media and agenda's that is just too cliché and that excuses has ran dried a long time ago. Overpowering the world through military might is NOT a peaceful intent no matter what the religious institutions said.

 

[Air Force Brat]

Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton were the authors of the so called "Arab Spring", and regime change in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, and Syria. To blame it on Christians is extremely obtuse??? and defies logic. Barack is a big-boy, it really is OK to let him take responsibility for his foreign policy, leaving Iraq in an absolute mess in order to get us back into Afghanistan, where President Bush had initiated a very well timed exodus is also Obama foreign policy at its worst.

Make all the excuses for him you want??? but blaming third parties who have nothing to do with such policies is lame! end off topic, and mods feel free to move or delete these posts? and you are right about Karma, it is a bite in the butt!

And now back to our Favorite Hot Little Bird, the
ThunderHoggeII, and yes we are getting very close to having a couple of hundred of these babies up and running, and more are in production, the first Japanese bird having rolled out recently.

 

[FORBIN]

That is indeed amazing, and I have been working on getting that 400 Pontiac back together to repower the old "black bird" for two months, LOL.

Rings, Rod and Main bearings, 6X heads redone at the machine shop, yep I'm broke, disgusted, and just pray that it runs????

Pilot and a little mechanic also for your little bird, plane...

And for engine of Rafale don' t need test with " a fixed point " ! for Mirage 2000 take 4 hour, the French stuff

 

[Jeff Head]

Or perhaps the WS-15 engines are far more advance than the Russian or Western one that requires a lot more stringent development? After all Westerners don't like to see or hear that China is doing better than them?

Doubtful IMHO, given the track record over the last few years.

They may well have a design out there that they want to bring forward that would be more advanced...and I for one will not underestimate them.

But I do believe, given what we have seen, that at this point it is unlikely that they will bring such a design forward to production before the west.

Time will tell...they are very bright and know what they want.

I still believe that their purchase of the SU-35, if it really goes through, is more about advancing their engine designs than anything else.

But....What the Chinese will do with the WS-15 is completely OT On the F-35 thread.

Let's get back on topic.

Thanks.

DO NOT RESPOND TO THE MODERATION..and DO get back on topic here.

 

[bd popeye]

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YUMA, Ariz. (Sept. 22, 2016) U.S. Marine Corps Cpl. Erik C. Valencia, right, an F-35B fixed-wing aircraft mechanic with Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 121 (VMFA-121), 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, observes the first ever hot load on the F-35B Lightning II in support of Weapons and Tactics Instructor Course (WTI) 1-17 at Marine Corps Air Station Yuma, Ariz. The exercise is part of WTI 1-17, a seven-week training event hosted by Marine Aviation Weapons and Tactics Squadron One (MAWTS-1) cadre. MAWTS-1 provides standardized tactical training and certification of unit instructor qualifications to support Marine Aviation Training and Readiness and assists in developing and employing aviation weapons and tactics. (U.S. Marine Corps photograph by Chief Warrant Officer 3 Jorge Dimmer/Released)

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YUMA, Ariz. (Sept. 22, 2016) U.S. Marines with Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 121 (VMFA-121), 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, conduct the first hot load on a F-35B Lightning II in support of Weapons and Tactics Instructors (WTI) 1-17 at Marine Corps Air Station Yuma, Ariz.(U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. AaronJames Vinculado/Released)

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MARINE CORPS AIR STATION YUMA, Ariz. - U.S. Marines with Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 121, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, conduct the first ever hot load on the F-35B Lightning II in support of Weapons and Tactics Instructor Course 1-17 at Marine Corps Air Station Yuma, Ariz., Sept. 22, 2016. Photo By: USMC Staff Sgt. Artur Shvartsberg

 

[Jura The idiot]

LOL I must've forgotten to press 'Post Reply' button here yesterday, anyway Engine Upgrades for the F-35 Expected in Mid-2020s

The F-35 joint program office is eyeing the middle of the next decade for when major upgrades to the engines on the joint strike fighter can proceed.

Lt. Gen. Chris Bogdan, who heads the JPO head, said at last week’s Air Force Association conference that the “mid-2020s” is when the power plant on the joint strike fighter could be refreshed, whether through improvements to the Pratt & Whitney F135 design currently used or through a new engine design from another competitor.

“I would expect ... that somewhere in the mid-2020s much of the work being done in the labs right now with our industry partners will find its way onto the F-35,” Bogdan told an audience Sept. 21. “Whether it finds its way onto the F-35 in the current engine or some modified engine remains to be seen, but we do fully expect in the mid-20s to include some advanced technologies on engines.”

The Air Force is currently funding the early stages of the Adaptive Engine Transition Program (AETP) competition, with both Pratt and General Electric Aviation participating. The goal of AETP is to see if the companies can successfully add a third stream of air inside the engine. The program’s goal is to “demonstrate 25 percent improved fuel efficiency, 10 percent increased thrust, and significantly improved thermal management,” according to an Air Force statement.

Both companies received contracts worth $1.01 billion over the summer to fund the research under AETP, with a period of performance ending in September 2021.

While the AETP competition will likely be the source of the F-35 power plant of the future, its official focus is whatever the service decides to do with the so-called “sixth generation” fighter development. Theoretically, engine improvements could also be rolled into the B-21 Raider bomber, which is expected to enter production by the mid-2020s. Pratt & Whitney is the engine supplier on the program; and although neither they nor Northrop Grumman, the prime on the B-21, have said what engine is being used, speculation is that some form of the F135 engine will power the bomber.

Bogdan made it clear it is too early to make any decisions about how engine improvements could be rolled into the F-35 program.

“We have to take a look and see if they are 1) applicable and can be integrated into the F-35, and 2) the right time and place to do that,” Bogdan said. “A lot of that comes from the warfighter telling us what he or she needs and wants on the airplane, but relative to engine technology, just like sensor technology, just like materials technology, engine technology is moving along also. And there is a lot of work being done in the labs right now to improve the range [and] capability of our engines, the thrust capability on the size and weight of our engines.”

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