F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

Jeff Head

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Bogdan Predicts F-35s For Less Than $80M, Engines Included! By
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on February 11, 2016 at 4:14 PM


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ARLINGTON, VA: Three years ago, Lockheed Martin made the bold boast that F-35s would cost less than $85 million a copy by 2019, less than any existing fourth-generation fighter.

Skeptics howled. Boeing scoffed (eager to sell their ostensibly cheaper F-18 and keep its production line open). Most of us were impressed at then-Lockheed Martin program manager Lorraine Martin’s audacity.

Now, Program Executive Officer Lt. Gen. Chris Bogdan says the most common model of the plane, the F-35A, will hit $80 million to $85 million by 2019 and he expects the price will go lower, especially when it hits multi-year procurement in a few years. That price is in then-year dollars, and it includes an engine.

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Lt. Gen Christopher Bogdan – Bio Photo

He estimated the next two lots, LRIPs 9 and 10, will come in at just about and then below $100 million a plane. The deal, which had been expected months ago, had hit what Bogdan admitted was an “impasse.” The problem? “I’m not rushing into a bad deal, ” he said, adding that he wasn’t “going to let time pressure me into doing a bad deal for taxpayers.” Total value of the two lots should be around $15 billion.

With 173 days remaining before the Air Force plans to declare the F-35A ready for Initial Operational Capability, the program faces 419 “deficiencies” it needs to either fix, ignore or work around, Bogdan noted.

Since that number will likely explode the heads of Joint Strike Fighter critics, let’s consider what it actually means. The great majority of those problems are, as has been endlessly reported, software problems, and most of the software problems are to be found in the complex system known as ALIS, which monitors the aircraft, manages parts, helps with mission planning and does almost everything except fly and fight the plane. To get some idea of its complexity, ALIS has twice as much software as the airplane itself. And the aircraft is the most software-intensive weapon in the US arsenal.

The toughest problem the program is having is matching the timing of the aircraft’s fusion software with its sensors’ software. “As we add different radar modes and as we add different and capabilities to the DAS system and to the EOTS system, the timing is misaligned,” and then you have to reboot it. Bogdan said he’s aiming for eight to nine hours between such software failures when a radar or DAS or EOTS needs to be rebooted, which is what legacy aircraft boast. Right now they are at four to five hours between such events. “That’s not a good metric.”

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We have been predicting that the prices would go lower.

This General would not make such significant claims unless he had the data tp back it up.

If he can get the F-35A down to even $90 million per copy with the engine that will be phenominal.

Great news.
 

mr.bean

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Not an F-35 hater myself. Just thought the news was really funny.

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and then we have that recent news that the US is offering india the F-35. this thing is like a giant blackhole sucking out all the money you have in your budget. if india signs on to this i wonder if their air force chief will faint because of the ever escalating costs.
 

Brumby

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We have been predicting that the prices would go lower.

This General would not make such significant claims unless he had the data tp back it up.

If he can get the F-35A down to even $90 million per copy with the engine that will be phenominal.

Great news.

It is clearly doable based on available data especially once they move to full production. Based on 2016 President's budget submission, the procurement cost by 2020 is projected to come in at $100 million (flyaway) average. We know that the F-35C is approx. 20 % more expensive and so the F-35A can be produced for below $90 million.

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Also, I wish to correct the fact that I have been overstating the number of lines of software code on the project. Jura pointed out to me that it is not 80 million but 8 million. Jura is right, 8 million was the initial number. Currently the number is at 30 million.
 

Jeff Head

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and then we have that recent news that the US is offering india the F-35. this thing is like a giant blackhole sucking out all the money you have in your budget. if india signs on to this i wonder if their air force chief will faint because of the ever escalating costs.
All joking aside based on the unfortunate (and admittedly made for joking) faint...actually, the pricing on the F-35 is coming down...just as many of us on this forum forecast.

By 2020 you will get an F-35A with its engine below 100 million, closer to 90 million.

I am sure the Indians are considering it based on both its capabilities/stealth and its cost.

But time will tell.
 

Blackstone

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All joking aside based on the unfortunate (and admittedly made for joking) faint...actually, the pricing on the F-35 is coming down...just as many of us on this forum forecast.

By 2020 you will get an F-35A with its engine below 100 million, closer to 90 million.

I am sure the Indians are considering it based on both its capabilities/stealth and its cost.

But time will tell.
That would be nice, but history shows features creep that make warplanes more expensive over time and not less. Maybe it'll be different this time...?
 

Jeff Head

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That would be nice, but history shows features creep that make warplanes more expensive over time and not less. Maybe it'll be different this time...?
It's already been coming down over successive LRIP builds. This is not only a continuation of that trend...it has been the plan from the beginning.

Yes, aircraft do cost more with mission creep, etc. But once the design and capabilities are nailed down, and after the most expensive aircraft are produced in the initial prototypes and initial builds, you then reach a stage where build costs can be reduced significantly.

With large production batches, the economies of scale allow them to be produced cheaper, which is what is about to happen with the F-35...and which is the way it was planned.
 

Jeff Head

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Ohhh ! with the gun also :cool:

Sadly ! i can' t increase too

Hey Jeff ;) eventually ... put your model, hehehe

F-35C from VX-23 conducts first arrested landing with external weapon load to Patuxent River
Hehehe...my F-35C already has the gun pod on it...and a lot more:

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