F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

FORBIN

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Sorry i am difficult :) but not a full USMC Sqn which get now 16 F-35B after others with 10, 6 a flight for size as AV-8B detachment on Wasp/Tarawa Classes.

For 61 FS finaly 21/24 + 2 RAAF now. For summer full.

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AFB currently has 23 F-35s and by 2024, Luke is scheduled to have six fighter squadrons and 144 F-35s
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Jeff Head

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Sorry i am difficult :) but not a full USMC Sqn which get now 16 F-35B after others with 10, 6 a flight for size as AV-8B detachment on Wasp/Tarawa Classes.

For 61 FS finaly 21/24 + 2 RAAF now. For summer full.

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Yes...a full squadron on land has, as you say, 16 aircraft.

But on the LHD/A itself they will take 6 aircraft and people on board will refer to it as the vessel's squadron of aircraft when in reality they have other brothers ashore.
 
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FORBIN

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I don' t think Jeff in a MEU named Detachment
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only the MV-22 Sqn which is full with 12.

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After Luke for Hill as i have read first delivery in september about and also complete deliveries to different test, weapons ...Sqns.
 

Jeff Head

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Forbin...hehehe...you will like the load out I am placing on my 1/72 scale F-35C. Loaded for...err...Bear! LOL! See the model thread r all of the details for this part of the build.

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thunderchief

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The missiles are ejected from the weapons bay before it fires up. If you've seen videos of F-22 firing missiles you can tell that they don't start up until they are a good distance away from the aircraft.

In order to fire AIM-120 , both F-22 and F-35 must avoid certain positions (upside down, heavy banking etc ) because missile needs to separate itself from the fighter . This is not such a problem in BVR if they fire first. But in close combat system is useless lot of the time . F-22 has side bays carrying 2 AIM-9 missiles for close combat on extending rails to solve this problem . But F-35 has no such thing . Theoretically, it could carry lock-after-launch IR missiles (like AIM-9 X ) in its internal bay , but in order to fire them it would need to straighten up .

Therefore, F-35 would have to choose between stealth and ability to protect itself by carrying missiles on external pylons . This is one of many things advocates of F-35 "forget" to mention when they advertise their aircraft .
 

Air Force Brat

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In order to fire AIM-120 , both F-22 and F-35 must avoid certain positions (upside down, heavy banking etc ) because missile needs to separate itself from the fighter . This is not such a problem in BVR if they fire first. But in close combat system is useless lot of the time . F-22 has side bays carrying 2 AIM-9 missiles for close combat on extending rails to solve this problem . But F-35 has no such thing . Theoretically, it could carry lock-after-launch IR missiles (like AIM-9 X ) in its internal bay , but in order to fire them it would need to straighten up .

Therefore, F-35 would have to choose between stealth and ability to protect itself by carrying missiles on external pylons . This is one of many things advocates of F-35 "forget" to mention when they advertise their aircraft .

I am sorry Chief, that only the "strawman" wants to hang-out wit you??? Now you are NOT a fighter pilot?? NOT an Engineer??, but you "know" all these little obtuse "angles", that none of those smart folks have ever thought of????

Like a master swordsman, the fighter pilot plies his trade, Red Flags and less theatrical simulated ACM, the fighter pilot immerses himself in his aircraft and how to effectively defeat "all" comers. No doubt the F-35 drivers have a few angles of their own, for each of their potential adversaries, but none more well thought than the ultimate adversary--- the Raptor. My point is they eat, breath, and sleep ACM, and how to beat the bad guys??? no one trains harder, or more realistically than the US military, NO ONE!
 

thunderchief

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Like a master swordsman, the fighter pilot plies his trade, Red Flags and less theatrical simulated ACM, the fighter pilot immerses himself in his aircraft and how to effectively defeat "all" comers. No doubt the F-35 drivers have a few angles of their own, for each of their potential adversaries, but none more well thought than the ultimate adversary--- the Raptor. My point is they eat, breath, and sleep ACM, and how to beat the bad guys??? no one trains harder, or more realistically than the US military, NO ONE!

Actually, we don't know who trains hardest . It could be US, but it could be Chinese, Russians, Germans,British, Israelis, Pakistanis, Indians ... F-35 pilots would certainly try to amplify good sides of their aircraft, and to hide weaknesses . But so would opposing fighter pilots .
 

Air Force Brat

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Actually, we don't know who trains hardest . It could be US, but it could be Chinese, Russians, Germans,British, Israelis, Pakistanis, Indians ... F-35 pilots would certainly try to amplify good sides of their aircraft, and to hide weaknesses . But so would opposing fighter pilots .

Chief, the idea that the F-35 is somehow substandard as a warfighter???? that's internet fan-boy talk, the F-35 may even have an edge on the Raptor, if the pilot in the F-35 pulls the Raptor into his game, but if you go play with the F-22 on its dirt??? well you are in big trouble????
You may be right, lots of folks train hard these days, but not everyone trains to the gold standard, and some folks don't really get to the crux of the matter??? IMHO

In any respect, in a BVR engagement the F-35 is the likely winner, the wild card being the Raptor?? on a given day?? things could change up, but for the most part the F-35 has a very substantial advantage over any other fighter!
 

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AT SEA - U.S. Marines and sailors worked together to perform night operations with the F-35B Lightning II aboard USS Wasp at sea May 21-23 during Operational Testing 1 (OT-1).

OT-1 is assessing the operational suitability and effectiveness of the F-35B and is the first shipboard operational test period for the aircraft.

Of the many assessments conducted during OT-1, night operations are a critical task that both the aircraft and pilot must complete. In order to succeed, each pilot had to take off and land the F-35B four times aboard the carrier at night.

“In the developmental phases, the aircraft has been used [by test pilots] in a night environment,” said Maj. Michael H. Rountree Jr., an F-35B pilot and senior training landing signal officer for OT-1 with Marine Fighter Attack Training Squadron 501, Marine Aircraft Group 31, 2nd Marine Aircraft Wing. “However, no one has ever done it operationally. So we are taking all the lessons we are learning here and giving them to fleet aviators.”

Although the F-35B is currently the most versatile and technologically advanced aircraft in the skies, obstacles were still set in place to test the abilities of the pilot and performance of the aircraft.

“We use the night pattern for unaided recovery,” said Rountree. “We are not approved to use the night vision camera, or distributed aperture system in the ship environment yet. We are simply using the naked eye to get us onto the ship. We fly an approach that funnels us into a good position to take over and land the jet visually.”

In order for night operations to run smoothly aboard an amphibious carrier, maintenance and communication are critical measures that must be taken by both the pilot and shipboard personnel.

“At nighttime, you have a lot more risk, so safety is paramount,” said Sgt. Daniel Beaston, a power line mechanic with VMFAT-501, MAG-31, 2nd MAW. "You must constantly keep your head on a swivel and be especially watchful. It is also important to maintain communication between yourself and the pilot.”

For the Marines on the flight deck, knowledge and being confident in their various skill sets is critical for everything to run as planned, according to Beaston.

“The smallest breakdown in communication at night can be extremely disastrous and everything can become complicated,” said Beaston.

With the Queen Elizabeth Class Carriers being produced in the United Kingdom, members of the Royal Navy and Air Force were embedded into the Marine units to observe, participate and take away from the evolutions during OT-1.

“I have been observing the night operations, and they differ from day operations because of the communication,” said Royal Air Force Leading Hand Martin Williams, a leading aircraft engineering technician embedded into the unit. “The way they get the message across to the pilots is the biggest difference.”

Despite the obstacles and adversities that were put in their way, the Marines left the training confident in their skills and with more knowledge on the capabilities of the F-35B, according to Beaston.

“I went out there for the first time to fly at night and everything went smoothly,” said Rountree. “With the controls and interface between the pilot and aircraft so seamless and the task loading so low, this aircraft is really a joy and a pleasure to fly.”


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