F-22P and 053 series

adeptitus said:

Let's look at other regional navies and what they paid for their Corvettes.

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Indonesia is paying $1.9 billion USD for 4 x 1,700 ton Sigma class Corvettes, at $475 million unit price. European ships are really expensive.

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The Royal Malaysian Navy is looking to build 27 Kedah class OPV (1,650 tons) for RM 24 billion, which is about $245 million USD each at today's exchange rate. Although these are OPV's, there's provision for RAM launcher, Exocet SSM's, & Torpedoes at additional cost. If those weapon systems are installed (at additional cost), the ship would qualify as a Corvette.

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The Pakistanis are getting a good deal on the F-22P (Light?) Frigate at $150-$200 million each.

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I would not compare apples to oranges; the Indonesians and the Malaysians may have packaged a maintenance deal with the ships, or have purchased the intellectual property rights to the ships. Unless we get a breakdown of price, we do not know.

FriedRiceNSpice said:

There's plenty of third-rate nations that China can sell off a F-22P. A lot of these nations don't even have anything larger than coastal patrol craft.

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Third-rate nation? What's that?

Third rate= third world....

Need you ask?

FriedRiceNSpice said:

Third rate= third world....

Need you ask?

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You need to be little more .... say clear cut!.

Coz, people associates here mistakenly to some third rate nations slurping much more than they can earn.

or like third-rate nations bringing democracy by killing millions.

Hope this help to be more clear next time you write??

FriedRiceNSpice said:

Third rate= third world....

Need you ask?

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Oh I see, that's what you meant.

Because in English, "third-rate" means "a product of inferior-quality", while "third-world" means "countries that were neutral during the cold war". They are completely different terms.

No more 'third rate' discussing. Stick to the topic.

On my observation, the Pakistani Navy really needs to boost its fighting power, considering their neighbor country India has already boosted its Naval capability to a high level compared to that of Pakistan. Especially in the past several years of massive arms acquisition made by India (Includes aircraft carriers, Akula Class submarine and the Krivak frigates).

So I'd rather think that Pakistan will surely give the Navy enough funding to pay for these ships.

crobato said:

Just reading the other day how Pakistan is asking for emergency loans here and there. Which makes me wonder how they expect to pay for these. Its certainly not a good time for it. This opens a worst case scenario that if Pakistan can't pay for them, the ships will have to go to the PLAN.

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If Pakistan has money to order brand new F-16's and all the other stuff, then they certainly have money for the F-22Ps, which is currently the single most important and significant acquisition for PN.

The only reason they ask for credit and the likes from China is because they believe they can get it, given the relations between the countries. And if they can get it, they would be stupid not to ask for it, given the dire economic situation Pakistan is in. But if it came down to it, they would pay hard cash for it. At $175m a price, the price is definitely right, and the capability desperately needed.

Delbert said:

On my observation, the Pakistani Navy really needs to boost its fighting power, considering their neighbor country India has already boosted its Naval capability to a high level compared to that of Pakistan. Especially in the past several years of massive arms acquisition made by India (Includes aircraft carriers, Akula Class submarine and the Krivak frigates).

So I'd rather think that Pakistan will surely give the Navy enough funding to pay for these ships.

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If the intent is to go toe to toe with her larger neighbor, the F-22P is probably not the right ship for the job. Something like advanced submarines with the IDAS missile (to whack ASW helios) would work better.

The F-22P is an affordable general purpose frigate, based on existing, proven design that has already been mass produced by the PLAN, and put to service since early 1990s. One ship will also be built by KSEW in Pakistan with some technology and knowledge transfer toward Pakistan's domestic ship building industry. These will be brand new ships with several decade's worth of service life.

In comparison, the OH Perry ships that the Pakistani navy wants to buy from USN, will be >30 years old and fitted in the US. The USS McInerney, for example, will be 32 years old for the Aug 2010 transfer, requiring $65 million USD refurbishment. That's even older than the Type 21 frigates purchased from UK in 1990's, which were roughly 20 years old at the time.

new pictures of F-22P starting sea trial, this is 251