F-22P and 053 series

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    Pakistan to get frigate from China in 2009

    ISLAMABAD, April 12: Pakistan will get one of four F-22P frigates from China in 2009. First three of the frigates will be built in China and the fourth in Karachi. China will equip these frigates with six helicopters.

    This was stated by chairman of the Senate’s standing committee on defence, Senator Nisar A. Memon, while speaking at a press conference here on Thursday on the return of the committee members after a week-long visit to China.

    He said that China, under the agreement with Pakistan, would also transfer technology to indigenously-build submarines.

    The F-22P frigates have evolved from the existing design of the latest Chinese frigates with modifications and customization to meet Pakistan Navy’s requirements.

    The combat system of F-22P ships features various sensors for surveillance and detection of surface, sub-surface, and air contacts and corresponding engagement weapon systems.

    All the sensors and weapons are integrated through a command and control network, which is also supported by navigation, communication and ship-to-ship and ship-to-shore data link networks.

    The F-22P is capable of operating in areas contaminated with nuclear, biological and chemical agents.

    The frigate is well-equipped for anti-submarine, anti-surface and anti-air warfare as well as self-defence capabilities.

    Senator Memon said that in the recent past a number of joint ventures between Pakistan and China had been successfully carried out while a number of others were in-hand.

    These include manufacturing of JF-17 Thunder aircraft, F-22P frigates and many more, he added.

    He said the committee was extended invitation to visit China by the Chinese People’s Institute of Foreign Affairs (CPIFA).

    He said the unanimous decision to pay a maiden visit abroad by any committee of the Upper House was taken in recognition of existence of deep-rooted and all-weather friendly relationship between Pakistan and China.

    Putting forth recommendations for further strengthening ties between the two countries, he said there was need to further increase political parties, businessmen and parliamentary contacts.

    He said China had given a categorical assurance that JF-17 aircraft would not be sold to India.

    He said the committee members also visited JF-17 Thunder Aircraft manufacturing facilities at Chengdu and Hudong Shipyard at Shanghai to see the manufacturing of frigates.

    He said that during its stay in China, the delegation held meetings at the CPIFA and a round-table discussion with scholars of the Institute of Strategic, National Defence University, Beijing.

    http://www.dawn.com/2007/04/13/top9.htm
     
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    From this article and the picture of the F-22P I can only state that Pakistan is wasting it's money. If we consider what is happening to all the navies in the world and what Pakistan is opting for a low tech alternative. I wonder why China didn't offer the Type 054A Frigate which is clearly more advanced than the F-22P.
     
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    Re: Pakistan to get frigate from China in 2009

    From this page:

    Note that they have the same model, and the article is almost three years old. So the design has likely changed a little.
     
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    It appears that the F-22P is more of a direct replacement for the old Pakistani Type 21 frigates, more commonly known as the Amazon class frigates. I don't think the Pakistani's want a larger replacement for their old frigates so, this appears to be the best solution in their views.
     
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    Do realize that the PN had to take out a loan from China to pay for these frigates. The 054A is simply out of the budget for the PN right now. Also, the F-22P will pretty much give a next generation capability to the PN when you look at the surface fleet of the PN right now (which isn't even worth mentioning...) There are talks of the PN moving on and buying some more advanced frigates, but the focus for the PN is on submarines and sea denial rather than sea supremacy like the Indian Navy.
     
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    The PN is seeking 6 used Oliver Hazard Perry Class ships from the U.S. Latest news about it said that the first of these will not be available for transfer for at least another two years from now. However the U.S Navy Chief said that as they become available, top priority for transfer will be given to Pakistan. It seems to me that the PN will directly replace the 6 Type-21s with 6 OHPs. It is possible (if not very likely) that the OHPs in their current form will be given to PN under the EDA program (free of cost) - and Pakistan will have to pay for the upgrades/refits to bring them up to FFG status.

    Beyond this the PN will seek 4 new-built frigates which are of larger displacement and more capable than the F-22Ps. I imagine that the new frigate requirement will be sent or formally announced sometime in 2009-2010 after the new submarines and new corvettes are settled. A German news source reported that if TKMS wins the PN U214 deal, the PN may show interest in the MEKO A-200 FFG. Besides this, Kanwa reported that the PN was interested in the Type-054 class FFG. Active consideration for a proper frigate has already begun.

    As to where the F-22P would stand in PN. Well I think the F-22Ps will take over from the retired Leander Class and primarily become patrol, training and coastal or littoral combatants. IMO the 6 OHPs or used frigates of that capability will be used for out going missions - and will ultimately be replaced by the 4 new-built frigates (MEKO A-200 or Type-054). The 4 corvettes sought will likely augment the F-22P in littoral defence and act as ASW vessels.

    Armed Forces Future Development Program - 2019 (AFFDP-2019) may have listed the PN fleet as the following by 2019:
    • 4 new-built frigates (Type-054 or MEKO A-200)
    • 4+ new-built corvettes (Milgem, Gowind 120 or MEKO A-100)
    • 4 F-22P light frigates/corvettes
    • 3-4 submarines (U214, Marlin or Scorpene)
    • 3 AIP-equipped Agosta-90B
    • 8 MRTP-33 FAC
    • 4 Shujaat Class FAC
    • 3 P-3B(?) Hawkeye 2000 AEW&C
    • 10 P-3C Orion MPA
    • 6 Z-9EC helicopters
    • 8-12+ helicopters (Seaking variant, NH-90NFH?)
    • 9~12 light helicopters (Alouette III, Fennec?)
    • 5? mine countermeasure vessels
    • 2-3 auxiliary tankers/support vessels
    • ?? Coastal patrol boats?
    Overall I think it is a good defensive fleet being planned. A strong sub-surface and aviation fleet as well as a decent surface fleet. The PAF will likely have a couple of F-16 squadrons on the maritime role as well, they will likely data-link (through Link 16) with the Hawkeye 2000 and surface vessels. A very reliable person on PakDef also reported that the PN wants its own fighter squadron.
     
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    Hello every one, can any one tell me about the abilities of the F-22p frigates and about the Z-9EC helicopters
     
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    The Zulfiqar Class is armed with 8 C-802 surface-to-surface and 8 FM-90 (improved HQ-7) surface-to-air missiles. However the F-22P uses the Russian AK-176M 76.2mm as its main gun, instead of the Chinese 100mm counterpart. Physically, the F-22P has a stealthier platform as it uses some of the Type 054 frigate's Radar Cross Sectional (RCS) reduction concepts.
     
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    Re: Pakistan to get frigate from China in 2009

    Three things about this article are confusing me:

    1) the F-22P is already being fitted out, it should be in Pakistan this year... not 2009.
    2) Pakistan already knows F-22P is not state-of-the-art, the reasons for buying it were excellent price:capability ratio. A tender for more advanced frigates has already been launched.
    3) Also, I have never heard about any submarine ToT from China.

    It seems to be this senator guy may not know what he's talking about. Misleading stuff in there.
     
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    THe frigate is just being fitting out as you mentioned. But that means exactly that...fitting out. It not completed yet to say commisioned by any means yet. It doesen't even have all the systems not to mention about the extensive trialling of both the shipyards and the PAN. So the 2009 is very reasonable time frame of the ship being handed to the Pakistanese. Then there is still alot of work before its fully intergrated to the operational elements of PAN.

    Now the thumbrule for almoust every piece of military hardware that to be fully service, mean fully as in the ability to use its full potential takes more or less of a decade from the point of being rolled out of the factory/shipyard.

    So lets not be too hasty my friends.
     

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