F-22 Raptor Thread

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The A-10 has been flying without a two seater for decades, and training of new students never was a major source of concern in it's operation. For those signle-seater only jets, they're always in a formation anyway, with an IP in the lead jet. So there is an instructor close by. I think new F-22 pilots go through a few flights on trainer F-16s to gain some experiance on high-performance jets. Additionally, when they start type-rating, those students are already rated pilots, having completed basic pilot training and an intro into fighter maneuvers on a T-38.
Mordern Sims are actually a great aid in preparing yourself for doing it real. They are all you need for procedural training and for getting used to a flow. Muzzle memory and all that. Of course eventually stuff needs to be done in the real jet, but you can cut the number of training sorties considerably if you get a new pilot to practice in a sim instead of the jet, and then just have him/her show proficiency in the jet.
And being rated pilots who are used to 6-7G from previous training, experiancing those now really isn't a big obstacle to performing anymore.
Nervousness can be, but that's what the practice in the Sim is for. The IP in the other jet will monitor and tell the student which recovery maneuver to initiate, if needed.

 

[Jeff Head]

The F-22 pilots are fully trained. No doubt about it.

 

[Air Force Brat]

The A-10 has been flying without a two seater for decades, and training of new students never was a major source of concern in it's operation. For those signle-seater only jets, they're always in a formation anyway, with an IP in the lead jet. So there is an instructor close by. I think new F-22 pilots go through a few flights on trainer F-16s to gain some experiance on high-performance jets. Additionally, when they start type-rating, those students are already rated pilots, having completed basic pilot training and an intro into fighter maneuvers on a T-38.
Mordern Sims are actually a great aid in preparing yourself for doing it real. They are all you need for procedural training and for getting used to a flow. Muzzle memory and all that. Of course eventually stuff needs to be done in the real jet, but you can cut the number of training sorties considerably if you get a new pilot to practice in a sim instead of the jet, and then just have him/her show proficiency in the jet.
And being rated pilots who are used to 6-7G from previous training, experiancing those now really isn't a big obstacle to performing anymore.
Nervousness can be, but that's what the practice in the Sim is for. The IP in the other jet will monitor and tell the student which recovery maneuver to initiate, if needed.

The F-22 is a very docile aircraft, I was reviewing Max Moga's 2007 performance at Sacremento, CA, and his talk-through of all the maneuvers with airspeeds are astounding, Max never had a special airshow bird, he flew all of his airshows in what ever was on the line with a full tank of gas. Several of the maneuver drop the airspeed to 75 to 85 knots, dropping to 0 on the tail slide and allowing the aircraft to accelerate to 50 knots in reverse with the nose pointing straight up. So there are no real surprises in everyday flying, other than the aircraft has such high performance and will maintain +9Gs sustained, that it will put you to sleep?

 

[Air Force Brat]

The F-22 pilots are fully trained. No doubt about it.

They absolutely are, and like MOTO-GP racers they have very rigid physical requirements to fly this airplane. While General Hostage transitioned into this aircraft when it was having trouble, it is very doubtful that we will see many old heads flying the F-22, it is very high performance, and they train to WIN, every time, on every mission. Those who dream that this aircraft or that aircraft will go head to head with the Raptor, are basically doing just that,,, hoping for a mistake or a break, there is a very sound reason the Brat refers to the F-22 as the "Alien Bird". It was drawn on that first paper napkin, to take world class to a new level, and never a thought or dime was spared to make her an "Assassin", and they are continuing to expand her real world performance. The truth is that no one else has thrown that much engineering and money at anything I can think of, in the real world it is like the Ducati Desmosedici, when your race bike is hitting 215mph down the back straight, its really scarier than the other racers. You know you can win, you just have to unleash all that performance, without killing yourself???

 

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F-22 with some prestigious predecessors

 

[Silvestre]

The F-22 pilots are fully trained. No doubt about it.

195 st strenght are of F-22.

 

[Air Force Brat]

195 st strenght are of F-22.

actually 184 Silvestre, some of those are classed as training aircraft I do believe, they have been receiving a -3 block upgrade which may be done??? I don't hear a lot of Raptor news these days, since she gone operational in Syria, some of that info is down the rathole for now? there are several test birds that I believe number 8, that are not production aircraft?

 

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F-22 1st Fighter Wing during last Red Flag, day and night training, awesome !

 

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actually 184 Silvestre, some of those are classed as training aircraft I do believe, they have been receiving a -3 block upgrade which may be done??? I don't hear a lot of Raptor news these days, since she gone operational in Syria, some of that info is down the rathole for now? there are several test birds that I believe number 8, that are not production aircraft?

Yes 184 : 164 for Active and 20 for ANG, 3 lost.
Seems 8 pre-series stay alongside used only for test.