F-22 Raptor Thread
- Thread starter Jeff Head
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Those are awesome Forbin,,, thank you so much for posting to this thread, it does remind us all what an outstanding airplane this is, rather than taking a leap to a supposed sixth gen, its no doubt time to go back and redo the Raptor, save that beautiful airframe, and upgrade those avionics to the future, this airframe is still and overachiever, love to see what this bird could do with two F-35s out of the ThunderHoggeII! Now that would be a game-changer---in fact its past time to get this bird back into production, that's "why" that tooling is being presereved, until somebody smart enough to see the future came along- I don't think BHO and Ash Carter are on the A-team, actually the Chief is getting an F- on his defense report card---
Russian Relations-------------------F-
Chinese Relations-------------------F-
War on Terror-------------------------F-
Affordable Health Care Act--------F-
yeah, I'd say its time for a change?
Maybe Ash can at least get him up to a C??? I hope!!! I hope!!!!
Oh, and that does most definitely deserve a large picture!
Very sophisticated F-22 simulators are now being introduced to help maintain currency, and combat readiness, it will be vastly better than beating up the airframes of our precious F-22s, and at the same time keep our airmen very proficient.
thunderchief
Senior Member
Simulators are good thing, but they could be misleading. It is one thing to perform tight turn in simulator, and wholly another to do that in aircraft suffering high-g . NASA had some projects to include realistic g-forces in simulator , I wonder do they use same stuff for F-22 :
These squadrons use the simulators for what they are intended. They get plenty of actual real training and exercises in the cockpits of the actual aircraft.
They are not slighting their training...and these simulators will not mislead these aircrews...they will be used where they are intended to improve them.
As fuel and maintenance costs go up, these new simulators are as close to the real thing as you can get, in addition, in the simulator you get a great "cockpit check" keeping your "scan and touch" in the groove, you can stop the action in the simulator, or you can fly multiple scenarios in order to keep you on track, and determine literally, the best approach.
Now what this also accomplishes, is that when you brief and go out to fly a mission, you have already, been there, done that, and have the T-Shirt, you can concentrate on the delivery and not flying the aircraft, navigation, terrain, etc, as you will have a great deal more situational awareness. Even the Flight Sim X will get you up and running, and flying the airplane after a few visual approaches in the flight sim is definitely a plus, so if I get a little warning before a flight, I hop on the flight sim and go at it, makes the airplane much more familiar, and the visual of the proper approach angle, and maintaining airspeed are so much easier after a little simulator time.
Now, I no longer get as much actual flight time as I used to, and without the sim, I would be feeling a little trepidation, but after even 15 to 20 minutes of sim time, it falls into place so much easier, one thing in my own flying is that I always used to need to fly a proper approach, pattern entry, downwind leg extended past the end of the runway, carb heat, mixture rich, fuel on both, reduce throttle and maintain approx. 100knts on down wind, turn base and drop airspeed to 90knts IAS, turn onto final dropping to 80knts IAS down to about 70knts over the fence?? Now I am able to make a long straight in, keeping my speed up near cruise, at approx. 1 mile from the threshold at Pattern Altitude, I am able to add carb heat, mixture full rich, fuel on both, and pull the throttle back to about 1500rpm, begin to trim the nose up and start bleeding airspeed, further throttle reduction and continuing to bleed airspeed back to 80knts IAS on short final, bleeding to 70knts over the fence pulling the throttle back to idle, and continuing to bleed airspeed through the flare and touch down.
the real advantage here is keeping the airspeed up for other traffic, keeping the throttle up to keep from shock cooling the engine, more resistant to carb ice, and if the engine quits, I have minimum flaps and can make the runway, if I'm a little high, flaps or even a side slip will slow that bird down. It does require being familiar with what a stabilized approach should look like, the result is I haven't had to make a missed approach in a long time, and yes on short final I am rolling in the nose up trim, it practically flys itself on?
In the F-22, you are on your own from the first day, further testament to how well this airplane flys and how predictable it is, when operated by the book, and you are able to strap in to the aircraft, ready to fly, I flew my first USAF flight simulator at 9, so I am a firm believer! So I think I will fire up the Cessna Caravan and go fly the Salmon River run????
thunderchief
Senior Member
I'm just pointing the fact that pilot needs to perform every required manoeuvre in syllabus on real aircraft, else he should not be considered as fully certified on that aircraft type . Now, if certain plane doesn't have two-seater training version , he would be on his own first time he performs such manoeuvre and that could be problematic for inexperienced pilot who has only simulator experience . It is one thing to do something in simulator, and completely another when blood rushes to your head or your feet (negative and positive g )
Well Chief, don't you think the USAF has figured that out bubba?? Every F-22 squadron has T-38s assigned to it as aggressors/trainers, and frankly the F-22 is a much sweeter airplane as far as personality than the sweet little T-38,,, the T-38 will bite you, the F-22 will too, but you have to make it misbehave, it is a very intuitive and well mannered aircraft- in fact the USAF puts brand new pilots in it, depending on their aptitude, and they have done very well with it... Kinda like my Gixxer, very well mannered motorcycle, with astounding performance, the F-22 is like that, they have over engineered it to be a nice flying airplane, with astounding performance...... amazing isn't it? the simulator only makes things better, that's why we use them, better to encounter the unexpected in the simulator, than to face it the first time in the airplane, when you may be blindsided, and overloaded. The simulator is very true to life, and folks walk out of the simulator with a very real "sweat", honestly, the simulator is very stressfull, and pushes you well past your limits!
thunderchief
Senior Member
USAF did figure that out, but USAF is subject of political decisions . One of those decisions was to cut F-22B , and USAF have to live with that . From the point of F-22 pilot performing some complex manoeuvre for the first time (like Cobra below) , it would be much easier to have instructor in the cockpit , first showing then correcting the student if he makes a mistake .