F-15 Eagle Thread

Jeff Head

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Praying that the pilot was able to eject, at very high altitude and likely at very high speed as he was cross-country on a ferry flight to deliver the aircraft for a radar conversion??? The high speed is a problem, and we def are praying that he was able to eject safely???
Joining with you in those prayers, my friend.

Here's a report from this morning:

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ABC said:
DEERFIELD, Va. (WJLA/ABC News/AP) -- A Massachusetts Air National Guard F-15C jet crashed Wednesday along a mountainside in the George Washington National Forest of western Virginia, authorities said, but the fate of the pilot was unknown.

The crash occurred shortly after 9 a.m. west of Staunton in the rural community of Deerfield in Augusta County (about 135 miles northwest of Richmond). The area around Deerfield is filled with rocky, steep terrain.

Residents who live in the town of 130 people were shaken when they heard a series of explosions-like booms and then saw a pillar of heavy, black smoke coming from the crash site.

"It's the loudest noise I've ever heard," said 63-year-old Rebecca Shinaberry, who lives on a farm about two miles away. "(It) just shook the ground, and from my house we could just see a big plume of smoke."

Turkey farmer A.D. Shinaberry said that from the first two booms, he thought a plane had broken the sound barrier. But 10 seconds later he heard a third boom - the crash, he said.

Then, "it was like a mushroom, black smoke came up," Shinaberry said.

No injuries on the ground were reported. Virginia State Police launched a helicopter to search for the pilot, who may have ejected from the plane before impact. Witnesses reportedly saw an ejection chute.

"We are hopeful that the pilot is OK, and the pilot will be in our thoughts and prayers," said Col. James Keefe, commander of the Massachusetts Air National Guard.

State troopers and firefighters followed the smoke from Deerfield about five miles into the forest, where they found a deep crater and a large debris field among the hills and mountains.

Rescuers initially expressed concern about possible toxic fumes and radioactive materials, but Keefe said the plane had no munitions aboard - just fuel.

Guard officials confirmed to ABC7 News that communication with the jet had been lost prior to the crash; the pilot reported an "in-flight emergency" moments before radio contact ceased.

The plane was traveling at a high altitude, about 30,000 to 40,000 feet, when the "extremely experienced" pilot reported encountering a problem, officials said.

The jet was on a maintenance flight from Barnes Air National Guard Base in Massachusetts. which is home to the 104th Fighter Wing.

Base officials told ABC7 the crashed jet was an older aircraft due to receive a system upgrade upon arrival at its flight destination in New Orleans, Louisiana.

F-15s are maneuverable tactical fighters that can reach speeds up to 1,875 mph, according to the U.S. Air Force website. The F-15C Eagle entered the Air Force inventory in 1979 and costs nearly $30 million, the website says. The Air Force has nearly 250 of them.

A Massachusetts Guard spokesman said he "couldn't even remember the last time they had a mishap" with the F-15C model aircraft.
 

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Rest in peace Lt. Col. Morris “Moose” Fontenot, Jr.


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USNI said:
The U.S. Air Force has identified the pilot of the Boeing F-15C Eagle who died in a Wednesday crash in Virginia.

Lt. Col. Morris “Moose” Fontenot, Jr. died following the Wednesday crashin the mountains outside of Deerfield, Va., according to the service.

Fontenot had joined the Massachusetts Air Guard’s 104th Fighter Wing in February after retiring from the U.S. Air Force. He was a combat veteran with several Middle East tours and had 17-years experience flying F-15s, according to a report from The Associated Press.

At the 104th, Fontenot served as the unit’s inspector general and was an instructor pilot. He was a 1996 graduate of the U.S. Air Force Academy.

Searchers — who looked for Fontenot for two days — discovered the ejection seat was still with the fighter, Brig. Gen. Robert Brooks, commander of the Massachusetts Air National Guard, told reporters on Thursday but did not provide details, according to a report in the Associated Press.

“We just found evidence that the ejection seat was with the aircraft,” Brooks said.

He did not say if searchers had found Fontenot’s remains.

Fontenot on his way to Naval Air Station New Orleans, La. from Barnes Air National Guard Base in Westfield, Mass. for an radar upgrade when he reported an in-flight emergency.

At 9:05 a.m. air traffic controllers had lost track of the aircraft.

“Investigators said the jet hit the ground at a high rate of speed, leaving a deep crater and a large debris field in a heavily wooded area next to a mountain in the George Washington National Forest,” according to the AP.

The Air Force has begun an investigation into the cause of the crash.
 

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Rest in peace Lt. Col. Morris “Moose” Fontenot, Jr.


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There are several similarities between Col Fontenot's accident and that of the F-22 pilot, Capt Haney lost in Alaska, sudden and possibly disorienting/disabling mechanical issue, hi altitude, and very high speed, as well as a very high rate of decent, may well have been exceeding mach 2 at impact, no way to eject at that speed. I make the speed assumption from the eye witness who thought he heard a boom like exceeding mach 1, he reported hearing two big booms and then the huge explosion, etc also deep impact crater, just very sad, and probably NO time to make an egress from the aircraft???
 

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Beautiful video Forbin, and why the USAF boys "break" those poor old birds like the C in Missouri with a little weakness, these guys "push it" as they say on top gun every day. Unlike lots of others who "tool around" in their birds the US and UK and our Nato allies stick it to their birds everyday, they train like they intend to fight, very tough aircraft and people, anyone who counts out the F-15E and their pilots as simple ground pounders better watch out, in fact many Eagle pilots prefer that airplane to the Raptor.

The Eagle is a pilots airplane, unlike something like the old Foxbat, which is decidedly not a sweet airplane if pushed to the limits as the Eagle is being pushed here. These guys are not some aerobatic team, they are the real deal, USAF fighter pilots, doing a "days work"...
 

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Airmen maneuver through traffic lights while towing an F-15 Eagle down Watson Boulevard to the Warner Robins City Hall, Warner Robins, Ga. Sept. 6, 2014. The aircraft was loaned to the city by the Georgia Air National Guard’s 116th Air Control Wing to serve as a static display for a new veteran’s mémorial
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Boeing To Select F-15 EW Upgrade Contractor In May
Mar 10, 2015
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is expected to announce the winner of a multibillion-dollar program to modernize the
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’s electronic self defenses in May.

The $7.6 billion Eagle Passive/Active Warning and Survivability System (Epawss) is part of a larger effort to finally upgrade the F-15 fleet as it is expected to remain in service to 2040, longer than planned due to the slow introduction of
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into the fleet and fewer-than-expected
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being procured for the air superiority mission. For more than a decade, Air Force leaders vowed to spend as little as possible upgrading legacy fourth-generation fighters in hopes of a swift shift to an all-stealth, fifth-generation fleet. Poor program management and high cost, however, has forced the service to rethink its plans.

The service will upgrade up to 413 F-15Cs and F-15Es with the Epawss system, according to Air Combat Command (ACC) officials. Air Force acquisition officials say the life-cycle cost of the upgrade is $7.6 billion, a hearty sum given the service’s earlier plans to stifle resources for legacy fighters.

Epawss is needed to replace the aging Tactical Electronic Warfare System (TEWS), which is based on 1970s technology. ACC officials say repair costs for TEWS have spiked 259% in the last decade, underscoring the need for a new system.

With Boeing, the F-15 manufacturer, as prime contractor and integrator, the Epawss system is expected to include a new digital internal radar warning receiver, upgraded chaff-and-flare dispenser and a new fiber-optic towed decoy. The new system will also address "capability gaps as threats evolve," ACC officials say. "The threat environment is becoming congested and contested [and] F-15s need a modern EW system to remain viable in the future operational environment."

The emergence of Digital Radio Frequency Memory technologies also has frustrated allied EW technology, driving a need for upgrades. Using DRFM, an adversary can swiftly replicate signals, allowing for fast and accurate jamming in the air battle.

Though ACC officials say TEWS "lacks performance to counter current/future threats," Epawss introduction into service is beyond the future years defense plan, or beyond 2020. Installs for developmental testing aircraft are slated for fiscal 2017, the Air Force acquisition officials say.

The service is also procuring a long-wave infrared search and track (IRST) for the F-15C aircraft, which are primarily dedicated to air superiority missions. This IRST will provide beyond-visual range identification for enemy formations, allowing for operators to distinguish the number and possibly type of aircraft in formation at extended range.

Air Force officials did not provide a cost estimate for the IRST upgrade
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All because they didn't make enough F-22's.
 

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There are several similarities between Col Fontenot's accident and that of the F-22 pilot, Capt Haney lost in Alaska, sudden and possibly disorienting/disabling mechanical issue, hi altitude, and very high speed, as well as a very high rate of decent, may well have been exceeding mach 2 at impact, no way to eject at that speed. I make the speed assumption from the eye witness who thought he heard a boom like exceeding mach 1, he reported hearing two big booms and then the huge explosion, etc also deep impact crater, just very sad, and probably NO time to make an egress from the aircraft???

The F-15D that crashed Oct 8, 2014 at RAF Lakenheath was on an air to air maneuvering training flight?? As the pilot initiated a very hard pull on the stick, the aircraft exceed the critical angle of attack and departed,, as the aircraft departed an ill fitting radome with a large gap at the forward fuselage caused the aircraft to yaw and spin at low altitude, the pilot ejected when the aircraft decended through 6,000 ft, he stated and I quote, "I'm outta here"...The large gap between the radome and forward fuselage was filled with sealant with a 3/16 protrusion which disrupted clean airflow and contributed to the aircrafts departure and subsequent spin.

When members here state that an aircraft is unstable in order to maneuver swiftly, they are in fact referring to the fact that the aircraft has been designed with "relaxed stability", in other words it is "slightly less stable" in order to attain maneuverability or "agility". The F-15 is a very stable aircraft, that on the D model does not have fly by wire, I believe later Eagles such as the F-15K do have fly by wire?? My point is that even a very user friendly aircraft such as an F-15 or F-22, very sweet airplanes, may exhibit very bad behavior if pushed beyond their flight envelope, particularly if they have an "airflow anomaly". We lost an Eagle in a Red Flag due to the same sudden departure with external tanks with fuel and the fuel load was uneven, causing an insipient spin, from which the pilot was unable to recover?
 

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Singapore quietly expanding F-15 fleet
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Singapore use the best version SG with AESA radar pending new Saudi F-15SA and USAF F-15E
modernized.

Singapore AF have 2 units on F-15SG :
149th Sqn, 14 F-15 SG based to Paya Lebar and 428 FTS/OCU, 10 F-15 SG based to Mountain Home/USA.

Singapore is a very small country and lack of space / airspace and have all this OCU units based in allied foreign countries
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Confirmed by SIPRI Singapore AF have 40 F-15SG
Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments

12 F-15SG FGA aircraft 2005 2009-2010 (12) $1 b 'NFRP' or 'Peace Carvin 5' programme
12 F-15SG FGA aircraft 2007 2010-2012 (12) $1 b deal
8 F-15SG FGA aircraft (2010)2013 (8)
8 F-15SG FGA aircraft (2013)2014 (8)
 
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