Expanding the Chinese Military size (Please Read and Reply) this is important

In the past months I have already suggested that China should build a larger fleet, like increasing submarines, increasing its ships, etc. Since I knew China doesn’t have a plan to start a war but those fleets can be useful to support allies in trouble.

Base on the current situation incase North korea launches an invasion against South korea, and if China backs Nokor again in the second Korean War, I doesn't want the battle to end in a draw again! I want China to win against US.

But base on the current war machines of China, it was unlikely....

China should suppose to increase its submarine fleet like additional Song class submarine (8-12) would do. Build more destroyers which China had currently develop (4-6) more would do. I would also suggest the addiational aquisition of SU-30, and SU 27. (240) would be nice. Also the aquisition of SU-34 (120) would be great. Together with the purchase of new long range strategic bombers offered by Russia (80). ^.^

Together with building or acquiring about 2 aircraft carriers, and purchase additional Sovermenny destroyers (4) would do.

The phase of replacement of old tanks must be speed up. It would be also better to maintain a siezeable army like a total of 3Million Active troops, 3Million Paramilitary and 6Million Police force.

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Lee Delbert said:

In the past months I have already suggested that China should build a larger fleet, like increasing submarines, increasing its ships, etc. Since I knew China doesn’t have a plan to start a war but those fleets can be useful to support allies in trouble.

Base on the current situation incase North korea launches an invasion against South korea, and if China backs Nokor again in the second Korean War, I doesn't want the battle to end in a draw again! I want China to win against US.

But base on the current war machines of China, it was unlikely....

China should suppose to increase its submarine fleet like additional Song class submarine (8-12) would do. Build more destroyers which China had currently develop (4-6) more would do. I would also suggest the addiational aquisition of SU-30, and SU 27. (240) would be nice. Also the aquisition of SU-34 (120) would be great. Together with the purchase of new long range strategic bombers offered by Russia (80). ^.^

Together with building or acquiring about 2 aircraft carriers, and purchase additional Sovermenny destroyers (4) would do.

The phase of replacement of old tanks must be speed up. It would be also better to maintain a siezeable army like a total of 3Million Active troops, 3Million Paramilitary and 6Million Police force.

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Oh... please... how about a 10 million troops and 100 million police? Come on, how much are you going to spent on these. And if poorly trained and not really well armed, they are just like sitting ducks waiting to be slaughtered.

And how is a couple of destroyers and diesels powered submarines win against US? 2 carriers with a couple of hundreds of aircrafts? I think this is just dreaming.

Plus why should China back up a regime that doesn't actually take her seriously in the first place. North Korea is making China look bad internationally...

And I think China really shouldn't start any war at this present moment or even in the future.

On the first place Nokor was a buffer zone for China and Sokor. China should not allow Nokor to collapse incase.

Dear Delbert, I dont think your premise make much sense. what you are suggesting is leading china into becoming another Soviet Union. I dont think that is or should be the development strategy for China. To initiate that kind of military build up will eat up significant amount fund that i think is much better spent on other things such as education, infastructure building, R&D, cleaning up the enviorment or even social services. Since another Korean War will no doubt involve America, we should consider it in the equation.

The US spends 500 billioin on its armed force, and thats only 4% its GDP. In times of war like during Vietnam, the figure was raised to 9%, and during WWII, the figure was 30%. Therefore, it is not inconcivible that the US can spend a trillion dollars or more on its military, comparing that the 392.1 billion dollars revenue for the Chinese government in 2006. Any weapons aquisition by china can easily be outpaced by the US.

The US is able to keep such a power military not because the country is incredibly militaristic oriented like North Korea (although you can argue that the US is more militaristic than most), but because it has such a powerful economic, industrial and technological base that allows it to maintain such an army.

China should not and can not try to match US militarily, the Russian tried that during the cold war. The military strenghth should be reflect the countries economic power, not surpassing it.

Plus, your geopolitical thinking is in my opinion too outdated. For china to challenge or work against the US is like shooting itself in the feet. Like it or Not, China is benefiting greatly from the world system lead and run by US and its allies, and China's success will continue to be tied to the stability of the American System.

So in conclusion, the China should definitely save its money for for important things. The rivers and lakes near my home town in Yunnan is ridiculously polluted, i would much rather see them spending that money cleaning it up.

Losing South Korea as a trading partner would be worse than losing North Korea as a buffer zone. North Korea is a constant drain on Chinese resources as well as a major liability for China's global diplomatic efforts. South Korea on the other hand is a major Chinese trading partner, the loss of which would leave only Japan (not counting HK and Taiwan) as a responsible regional partner and potential source of technology and external investment in the East Asia region.

North Korea obviously does not have a lot of respect for China, they don't even memorialize the Chinese troops that fought for them in the Korean War.

Your military expansion scheme relies far too much on Russia technology. China must develop its own industrial/technological base for military purposes if it is ever going to be a true military power. It cannot rely on Russia. Why? Russia is using China for its own purposes just like China is using Russia for its own purposes. Do not believe that the Chinese-Russian alliance is permanent. China needs Russia for diplomatic support, raw materials and technology. Russia needs China for diplomatic support and an economic market. However, both are trying to gain Great Power status (not superpower, in the 21st century there will not really be superpowers, only Great Powers like in the 1800s) and their spheres of influence conflict. Both will try to exert influence in Central Asia and Northeast Asia, as both need them as economic markets and to secure energy supplies and have security buffer zones against foreign (particularly American) influence. Therefore, China and Russia will quite possibly be rivals, and China cannot rely on Russia for its technology and oil.

If the USSR manage to match the US spending before, I don't think China whose economy is several folds larger compared to USSR in the 1980's cannot match the US military spending.

Do you think China wasn't informed before the nuclear tests? I believe Nokor will not do such a thing without China's permission.

Trading partner is not only the thing, you should also take good care of your war allies. why? because if you let them fall. One day, even though you are already a rcih country you cannot stand alone fighting or competing against another rival who has a lot of allies and has already stretched its influence accross the world.

Nokor was the only few countries left as allies of China, since the collapse of USSR and other communist states.

Regarding the troop count that I suggested. I am not only reffering to number alone, ofcourse they must be properly trained and equiped. (not sitting ducks waiting to be slaugthered as you have described before).

If China won't back Nokor and it collapse, Sokor will surely took over. If it happens US troops is already at China's neighbor. Therefore US has an advantage already for they have almost cornered and surrounded China.

Incase of a war in the future, if China willloose more allies, Our country will be fighting a war in all fronts.

delbert, you are missing my point. I think most people will agree with me that if China gets into an arms race against either japan or US, there is no way China can win simply because they have much more money to spend, plus their technology are superior. China may be able to catch up in a few high end techs, but overall china is inferior in the basics. China's economy may be several times bigger than that of USSR in the 80s, but remember what happened russians, they simply imploded.

As for your idea about allies, i will agree that China could use some allies, but you should be careful who you are allies with. if the recent evens teach us anything, its that countries like NK isnt reliable, its more of a liability than an asset. Infact, through out the cold war, Pyongyang was playing off russia anc china against eachother, they got all the assistance they could but never really provided anything valuable in return to either of the benefectors. Both USSR and China had to put up with the Kim dynasty because neither the other to take advantage. All i am saying is that NK isnt even a good ally for China, we spend all the money supporting them and they come back bite us in the rear.

Plus the world is changing, the old idea of a group of nation lead by some great power would form blocks to oppose each other is outdated. And lets be honest, if there is going to be another world war, chances are the China and America will be one the same side wether they like it or not.

If the USSR manage to match the US spending before, I don't think China whose economy is several folds larger compared to USSR in the 1980's cannot match the US military spending.

Do you think China wasn't informed before the nuclear tests? I believe Nokor will not do such a thing without China's permission.

Trading partner is not only the thing, you should also take good care of your war allies. why? because if you let them fall. One day, even though you are already a rcih country you cannot stand alone fighting or competing against another rival who has a lot of allies and has already stretched its influence accross the world.

Nokor was the only few countries left as allies of China, since the collapse of USSR and other communist states.

Regarding the troop count that I suggested. I am not only reffering to number alone, ofcourse they must be properly trained and equiped. (not sitting ducks waiting to be slaugthered as you have described before).

If China won't back Nokor and it collapse, Sokor will surely took over. If it happens US troops is already at China's neighbor. Therefore US has an advantage already for they have almost cornered and surrounded China.

Incase of a war in the future, if China willloose more allies, Our country will be fighting a war in all fronts.

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The Chinese economy is not several folds larger than the USSR economy during the 1980s. To put it simply, the Russian economy today is smaller than the economy of the USSR at the time of its collapse. China's economy is about twice as large as the Russian economy today. Therefore, China's economy today is less than twice as large as the Soviet economy at the time of its collapse. Although exact figures for the GDP of the USSR do not exist, it is probably that the Chinese economy today is only roughly the same size as that of the USSR at the time of its collapse, which was 16 years ago. The fact of the matter is that today, China's economy is only half the size of Japan's and only one-fifth the size of America's, so there is absolutely no way for China to compete with the US in an arms race.
Also, China fighting a war in Korea would be stupid. North Korea is an useless ally and an expensive buffer zone. The entire GDP of North Korea is less than half of the military spending of China. And China has to funnel billions of dollars of aid into North Korea each year to keep Kim's regime in place. In a war on China proper, North Korea would be no help watsoever to China. They would absolutely refuse to send troops to China. Even if they did, those troops would be insignficant compared to the forces that China would be able to marshal. With or without North Korean help, it would take more than all of NATO to succesfully wage a land war in China proper.